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    "sender_name": "Ev Tupis",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] Fresh approach: Transparency",
    "date": "2019-08-03T13:35:54Z",
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    "content": " Hi Sancho...er...John. Lol.  Yeah, I get it.\nMy point is that the same pathways to success in years-gone-by aren't the only pathways today.  Said differently, just as there are new barriers/challenges today ... there are also new ways to get to space.\n\nFor example...\"what if\" through \"Bacon's Law\" a non-AMSAT ham knows how to reach Jeff Bezos and convince Blue Origin to supply transport...maybe by trading off something that he personally believes in or values?\nThe point is...tell us that we need to supply transport and a contact person for that work-step, then let \"Bacon's Law\" kick in.\n\nAll I'm asking for is to publish the work breakdown structure and tag each item with \"got it\", \"working on it\" and \"need it\".\nMy other point is, \"Are we brave enough to be transparent and allow the resources-of-the-crowd to participate in our success?\"  If not...then all AMSAT needs is money (and we're back to where we all started).\n\nCheers,Ev, W2EV\n\n    On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 9:06:25 AM EDT, John Kludt <[email protected]> wrote:  \n \n Ev,\nPlease read the post on the subject of Phase 3E on this BB.  The issue was money.  To insure a timely integration with the primary load - we would have been a ride share - the primary load was insisting on that a commercial contractor be brought on board at the cost of several million dollars.  The issue was not skills or parts or design, then issue was plain and simple - more money than we could reasonably expect to raise.  \nJust as an FYI AMSAT for a number of reasons has to comply with Nondisclosure Agreements (NDA's) from the various agencies and commercial launch vendors with whom they work.   Trust me, if it okay for us to know in munchkin land we will know it.  \nAs was also pointed out elsewhere we are bucking an industry trend right now.  We want to go higher while industry wants to go LEO with clouds, literally thousands of Cubesats.  And that makes HEO rideshares hard to find at a cost the amateur radio community it willing and able to pay.\nDon Quixote had his cause and it was noble.  He also had his best friend Sancho who had the unenviable task of trying to pull Don Quixote back into reality.  Remember it is a hobby, assume positive intent on the part of the AMSAT BoD and the other amateur radio operator on this BBS.  And let's not let the perfect become the enemy of the good enough.\n73,\nJohnny\nOn Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:44 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <[email protected]> wrote:\n\n Michael's reply (recopied at the bottom) amplified something interesting in my mind.\n\nOne receives peer-support by introducing attainable hope and both envisioning and producing something tangible that can be built upon.\n\nIn our case, \"something tangible\" can be as easy as re-reading the news found at https://www.amsat.org/project-status-overview/ ... scroll to the bottom where Phase 3E is mentioned.\n\nTo build on \"something tangible\", someone at AMSAT could post the project plan of the steps needed to get that thing in the air.  Include \"got it\", \"working on it already\" and \"need it\" tags (along with contact information for each item).\n\nLet us help to fill-in the holes.  Those with skills, contacts and resources exist beyond those who are presently AMSAT members and those who you will \"see at the October conference\".\n\nEnthusiastically yours,\nEv, W2EV\n\nPS: If we succumb to the \"non-disclosure / secrecy\" approach, we are doomed.  Be brave.  Be profound.  The same approach that got things stagnant can't be used to get things accomplished.\n\n\n\n    On Friday, August 2, 2019, 9:42:16 PM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB <[email protected]> wrote:  \n\n I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to \ntheir rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far \nthese last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard \nthese pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see \nsomething tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my \nmouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.  \"If you build \nit, they will come...\"  Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for \nthought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are \nlistening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with \nthe direction of the organization.\n\n73\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________\nSent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\nto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed\nare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.\nNot an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\nSubscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n\n  \n",
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