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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/YN65O5A5QN5UNG6MDXJOO5523HVAMEHI/?format=api",
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        "address": "tosca005 (a) umn.edu",
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    "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: cost HEO",
    "date": "2011-10-19T14:18:40Z",
    "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/MPR2V2ZNSB5UFTVNIBQ6PYJW7SEPZPTW/?format=api",
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    "content": "On Oct 18 2011, Bob- W7LRD wrote:\n>\n With the occasional conversations going on with leo, nano sat, GEO, cube \nsat, heo, etc.  Just what does it cost to put these gizzmos up there?  \nWho are the major players who do the putting?  More and more countries and \nprivate companies are developing this capability.  Competition is the cost \nequalizer.  I mean what if North Korea said, \"we can do that for for \ncheap\".  To save face would say NASA , \"step up\"?  I, and we in the \nmajority do not understand all the ramifications political \nand otherwise to be made in these decisions.  I do know we (AMSAT) have \nsome very smart and \"well placed\" people within the industry.  I hear the \nterm, \"benevolent benefactor\",  \"pool our visa cards\", \"get lottery \ntickets\", etc.  I have yet to see a \"dig in our heels\" concept and make it \nhappen.  There is not a specific answer to these questions and ideas.  I \nfeel it important to keep this carrot in front of our nose.\n>\n\nBob:\n\nI'll let someone who knows more about this answer your question as directly \nas possible. In the mean time, I would (sadly) point out that the US has a \nlaw on the books with the acronym ITAR (International Trafficing in Arms \nRegulations). The people who enforce it believe that satellite technology \ncounts as \"Arms\" (weapons) and so if we built a satellite and shipped it to \nKorea (or even if we shipped it to the United Kingdom for that matter) we \nwould be threatened with huge fines and possibly jail time. Case in point, \nAMSAT-NA had to pull out of the Phase 3e project with AMSAT-DL because of \nthe crazy way that this law is being enforced. I am especially sickened by \nthis fact because when I read the regulations in question, I see explicit \nexceptions to the rule of what constitutes regulated \"Arms\" that ought to \napply to us. But I'm not a lawyer so what do I know?\n\n73 John, W0JT\n\n",
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