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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/YWGKMOCZM2KVW5SYC4YPMCY66FW6ROCI/?format=api", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/?format=api", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "YWGKMOCZM2KVW5SYC4YPMCY66FW6ROCI", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/XB7TWZJR5SFNNKWR45QXYZ2PI3LXUFBA/?format=api", "sender": { "address": "morsesat (a) optonline.net", "mailman_id": "72f51eafcada419487d1a984af73dff5", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/72f51eafcada419487d1a984af73dff5/emails/?format=api" }, "sender_name": "Dee", "subject": "[amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...", "date": "2008-07-19T17:53:36Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/3DA6BXK45MR2FKMWIPY7PNXUS5CKTOZF/?format=api", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "\nArt,\nI commend you for your local efforts. I am not far behind you in age. I \nhope to make myself more available after retirement to the Hamsat community.\nMost of us do have full time employment as well and we have other \ncommitments and hobbies to keep us occupied. In my area, I have several \nclubs that\nwish to make me their property, however, in the same boat as you are. \nNo one is asking for a full employment type commitment, although \nsometimes it seems that way.\nWe all do what we can to inform our fellow hams of how things operate \nwith satellites. This is our passion.\nYou can be a rollmodel for this easy and simple ways to work satellites \nwith your homebrew experience. I am not sure of what type of support \nAMSAT offers\n in your area but we have a cadre of Co-ordinators listed on the website \n(with our fully operational store) to give you assistance.\nAge 65?? I think you are the average age of every one that assisted at \nthe AMSAT Booth in Dayton this year. \nYes the manufacturer's will sell their gear but a non profit like AMSAT \nneeds support of the academia area and Government subsidies\nthat they produce to further education. \nSeek out your local AMSAT guys and let them know of your interest to \nhelp out. The North East has many that are busier than most people\nand leaves many holes and areas people like you could help out.\n73,\nDee NB2F\n\n\n\n\n\n\nkc6uqh wrote:\n\n> Dee,\n> I am a past president of the Palomar Amateur Radio Club, The only way \n> I got volunteers was to personaly ask them on a one on one basis.\n> Amsat is not an option for me.\n> 1. I have a full time job\n> 2. I am still involved with the Palomar Club and receintly rebuilt one \n> of thier repeaters.\n> 3. My arthritic 6'2\" frame does not fit in a seat for a 6 year old \n> child on a commercial aircraft.\n> 4. At age 65 I can not spend 4-5 hours every night and continue my \n> full time employment.\n> \n> If someone wants some help I may have something to offer locally. I \n> used H/B antennas one on a 6'step ladder to sucessfully work AO-40. \n> These are not solutions ICOM and YEASU wants to see published, they \n> want to sell equipment! Low tech solutions are enjoied by only a few.\n> \n> Art\n> \n> \n> \n> ----- Original Message -----\n>\n> From: Dee <mailto:[email protected]>\n> To: kc6uqh <mailto:[email protected]>\n> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ;\n> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; Rick Hambly\n> <mailto:[email protected]>\n> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:26 AM\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...\n>\n> kc6uqh wrote:\n>\n>>Bob,\n>>There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.\n>>\n>>Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into \n>>space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge \n>>technoloigy of today.\n>>\n>>Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each \n>>other and everyone has complementry skills.\n>>\n>>Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a \n>>critical mass long enough to complete the project.\n>>\n>>I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was \n>>recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have \n>>spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I \n>>worked on.\n>>\n>>How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC \n>>present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a \n>>bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience \n>>required to build a satellite?\n>>\n>> TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference \n>>between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is \n>>not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to \n>>make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill \n>>sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with \n>>soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow \n>>them to try.\n>>\n>>Art, KC6UQH\n>>\n>>----- Original Message ----- \n>>From: \"Robert Bruninga\" <[email protected]>\n>>To: <[email protected]>\n>>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM\n>>Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...\n>>\n>>\n>> \n>>\n>>>Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what \"needs to be\n>>>done\"... And most of them are pointed at better \"management\"...\n>>>Or better \"direction\" of what is being done (by others)...\n>>>\n>>>The issue in an all volunteer organization is not \"what\" needs\n>>>to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the\n>>>\"management and direction\" but the actual WORK. That requires\n>>>volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and\n>>>thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from\n>>>the peanut gallery...\n>>>\n>>>Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers\n>>>we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting\n>>>in there and \"kicking butt\" and \"better management\"... You do\n>>>that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing\n>>>left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.\n>>>\n>>>This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to\n>>>the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now\n>>>that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have\n>>>about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham\n>>>radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a\n>>>need and jump in to fill it.\n>>>\n>>>It is very simple!\n>>>\n>>>If you can contribute \"work\" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise\n>>>\"get out of the way\" and contribute money, food, encouragement,\n>>>and assistance to those that do. \"Ankle-biting, naysaying, and\n>>>complaining\" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you\n>>>don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go\n>>>another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not\n>>>ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making\n>>>progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is\n>>>made in volunteer organizations...\n>>>\n>>>This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30\n>>>years...\n>>>Bob, WB4APR\n>>>\n>>>_______________________________________________\n>>>Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>>>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n>>>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>>\n>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus \n>>>signature database 3230 (20080701) __________\n>>>\n>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n>>>\n>>>http://www.eset.com\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> \n>>>\n>>\n>>_______________________________________________\n>>Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author.\n>>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!\n>>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n>>\n>> \n>>\n> All,\n> I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. \n> After a few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has\n> happened in the past\n> with Satellite building is a that a group of \"Friends\" got\n> together and decided that \"hey, let's do this!\" As friends, they\n> knew each other well and\n> enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and\n> shortcomings. On that level, as I believe, is how we should\n> approach any management style.\n> As some of our shirts say \"We all are (or not) Rocket scientists.\" \n> The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The\n> other 99% should support them with fund raisers, attending\n> hamfests to show\n> others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the\n> ropes.\n> I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings\n> and if you feel that you could have offered better ideas and\n> directions, you would\n> get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I\n> only see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and\n> only\n> potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts,\n> experience and direction are flung out into the ether.\n> Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization\n> on track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation\n> of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to\n> back up ideas with action.\n> 73,\n> Dee, NB2F\n> NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator\n> East coast \" \"\n>\n>\n> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus\n> signature database 3230 (20080701) __________\n>\n> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.\n>\n> http://www.eset.com\n>\n\n", "attachments": [] }