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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/ZPHSZJAS5IYK7GHXO7XQ2CMOJQA2PEEF/?format=api",
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    "sender": {
        "address": "ke9v (a) mac.com",
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    "sender_name": "Jeff Davis",
    "subject": "[amsat-bb]  Bob's Message",
    "date": "2007-12-11T20:37:13Z",
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    "content": "Friends,\n\nWe've had little information about the P4 opportunity since the \nSymposium. But reading between the lines and reading N4HY's message of \ntoday it seems that most of us are missing what they are trying to \ntell us ...\n\nThere aren't **any** easy/cheap/free rides to HEO to be had. That ship \nhas sailed and everything that we ever knew about the launch business\nhas changed.\n\nI'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth here, but I take it from \nBob's message and the solicitation letter from President Hambly that \nthere is really no apparent option to launch Eagle without doing \nsomething radically different.\n\nAssuming that we could pay for even a cheap launch, it might cost a \nmillion dollars if we were just paying customers. Think about that -- \na MILLION dollars. Maybe more. After two years of raising money for \nEagle we are up to what, $70K?\n\nAt this rate it would take a decade or more to raise enough funds to \nlaunch Eagle if AMSAT continues on the published path. This isn't \nabout digging a little deeper -- this is about reality.\n\nI get the impression that if some agreement isn't worked out with \nsomeone -- like is being discussed with the P4 opportunity -- we won't \nget back to HEO. Ever. Unless the satellite business changes.\n\nThose who think that the option is to EITHER finish Eagle and launch \nit, OR work on P4 seem to be missing the point -- the first option may\nnow be more dream than a viable option.\n\nI would be pleased to learn that I am reading this all wrong because \nmy *only* satellite interest is in a high-orbit bird and my hopes for \nseeing another in my lifetime are beginning to fade.\n\nIt's now been over 11 years since we had AO-13 and it's becoming a fond,\ndistant memory...\n\n-- \n73 de Jeff\nAMSAT-NA\nAMSAT-DL\n\n",
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