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    "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/ZT43C2PE7LUNYCCDHMF7MWC3KQSARXX5/",
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    "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/M3CCG2JAVEAUP6H7NSEOEPEZH4CFSWWS/",
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        "address": "kj9idave (a) charter.net",
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    "sender_name": "David J. Schmocker",
    "subject": "Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..",
    "date": "2020-06-18T16:27:04Z",
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    "content": "Everyone:\nThank you; the tone of my email asked for this.\n\nI am not a whining proponent.   Let me end this thread just as abruptly \nas I started it.\n\nI realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO.  Given a goal of DXCC, \nthe situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest).   Of \ncourse I know about the GOLF efforts.\n\nI failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a \nstretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO.   The idea \npreviously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world \nseems most prudent.\n\nvery 73,\n\nDave KJ9I\n\nOn 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:\n> From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites\n> and that's not counting AO40,\n>\n>\n>\n> Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN\n> -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB\n> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM\n> To: David J. Schmocker\n> Cc: AMSAT BB\n> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..\n>\n> David,\n>\n> \"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible without\n> HEO?\"\n>\n> It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck\n> I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in\n> that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even\n> able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via \n> LEO)\n> is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via\n> RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.\n>\n> People who say \"working DX isn't possible with LEO\" need to take a \n> look at\n> orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX\n> on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or\n> venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. \n> LEO\n> DX is 100% possible!\n>\n> Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or\n> donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the\n> design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they\n> think its just wham bam the sat is in space.\n>\n> Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this\n> page!\n> https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-amsat-golf-program/ \n>\n>\n> MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun \n> and\n> allow me to work many more DX.\n>\n>\n> /R\n> KI7UNJ\n>\n>\n> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB <\n> [email protected]> wrote:\n>\n>> Everyone:\n>> My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. \"Why no HEO?\"\n>> Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.\n>>\n>> Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer.  How is DXing possible \n>> without HEO?\n>>\n>> My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital\n>> height.\n>>\n>> very 73,\n>>\n>> Dave KJ9I\n>>\n>> On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:\n>> > Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate\n>> > for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no\n>> > significant HEO projects.\n>> > LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year\n>> > after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects\n>> > or ARISS.\n>> >\n>> > Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered\n>> > a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building\n>> > an earth station.\n>> >\n>> > Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT\n>> > membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood?  Anybody ever give him a\n>> > call?\n>> >\n>> > I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by\n>> > embargoing technology.\n>> >\n>> >\n>> > \"Donate early, donate often.\n>> >\n>> > 2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and\n>> > overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job,\n>> > not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building,\n>> > testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is\n>> > all about.\n>> >  --- Zach\n>> > N0ZGO\"\n>> >\n>> > \"There are many political and economic factors that made the\n>> > partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. \"\n>> >\n>> > \"the most senior political official we've had who was\n>> > active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg\n>> > Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels\n>> > of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.\n>> >\n>> > 73,\n>> >\n>> > Paul Stoetzer, N8HM\n>> > Executive Vice President\n>> > AMSAT\"\n>> >\n>> > I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why \n>> no > HEO?\n>> >\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available\n>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. \n>> Opinions\n>> expressed\n>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of\n>> AMSAT-NA.\n>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite \n>> program!\n>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb\n>>\n>\n>\n",
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