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{ "url": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/Q4WAYYRD2HU6CNONFFHVYLOJWMMHSKUM/", "mailinglist": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/", "message_id": "[email protected]", "message_id_hash": "Q4WAYYRD2HU6CNONFFHVYLOJWMMHSKUM", "thread": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/thread/SKIOQMZV7Q2MKTO7265BX7X7CS2P3JSG/", "sender": { "address": "wb4gcs (a) amsat.org", "mailman_id": "87014499e012476c8198fad186f7f963", "emails": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/sender/87014499e012476c8198fad186f7f963/emails/" }, "sender_name": "Jim Sanford", "subject": "[eagle] Re: YAHOO!!!! IT WORKS!!!!", "date": "2007-09-17T22:19:25Z", "parent": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/Q4J6BL3PJRFDSUVWSQHYR3FLEJKAUHFR/", "children": [], "votes": { "likes": 0, "dislikes": 0, "status": "neutral" }, "content": "Don:\nI agree, and thanks.\n\nI think the CAN-Do! manual also needs to be updated, because the next \nteam to integrate a widget will be just as unfamiliar.\nThanks & 73,\nJim\[email protected]\n\n\nDon Ferguson wrote:\n> Jim,\n>\n> You are correct that some documentation is necessary. The reason we did not\n> relate to this concern earlier was that when we received the Widget for the\n> UHF Receiver I first communicated with it using CDNC and in doing a Query\n> the module returned its presence and created log records with the correct\n> address in them.\n>\n> I then used these original Log records to create the data stream to include\n> the initialization data for the U-Rx. The fact that these records already\n> contained the correct address, via CDNC Query, made the concept of Widget\n> Address a non issue.\n>\n> Our lack of understanding was not obvious until we attempted to use our\n> initialization stream on a different widget and the receiver failed to\n> function. There was no noticeable indication from the CDNC program that the\n> widget addressed was not available. \n>\n> It is now apparent that we will need to document this area and I will add\n> some documentation to the CAN-DO part of the U-RX ATP. Others will want to\n> use this experience to guide them in documenting their part of the Eagle\n> project.\n>\n> Don \n>\n> -----Original Message-----\n> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of\n> Chuck Green\n> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:53 PM\n> To: Jim Sanford\n> Cc: Robert McGwier; [email protected]\n> Subject: [eagle] Re: YAHOO!!!! IT WORKS!!!!\n>\n> Hi Jim,\n>\n> The mode and address must be soldered onto the widget (jumper pads \n> provided on the widget for this purpose). It is assumed that the module \n> builder would do this. It's that assumption that should be documented. \n> I say this to bring up the follow-on issue.\n>\n> The module builder chooses the mode.\n>\n> The address should be specified by the system administrator since the \n> addresses must be unique for each module and the priority is a function \n> of the address. Module builders should give input to the system \n> administrator as to what they feel their priority should be, but \n> presumably only the system administrator is in a position to know the \n> priority requirements of *all* modules and is therefor in a position to \n> make these priority (address) decisions.\n>\n> Chuck\n>\n> Jim Sanford wrote:\n> \n>> Guys:\n>> There's a lesson here: DOCUMENTATION\n>>\n>> Juan expected/assumed one thing, the CAN-Do! widget was something \n>> else. Other teams will go through exactly the same issue. SO, it \n>> appears we need to add some documentation to each WIDGET in terms of \n>> serial number, address, and probably a handful of other things I don't \n>> know about. \n>>\n>> Let's learn from this experience.\n>>\n>> Juan, thanks to you and your team for perservering.\n>>\n>> Stephen, thanks for your prompt support on a short fuse.\n>>\n>> This kind of response and mutual support is exemplary, and what it \n>> will take to get Eagle on orbit.\n>>\n>> Thanks & very 73,\n>> Jim\n>> [email protected]\n>>\n>>\n>> Dave hartzell wrote:\n>> \n>>> Wow, this is a relief. I'm glad it was something simple....after all\n>>> the hunting and pecking we did yesterday, I'm glad it was something so\n>>> simple.\n>>>\n>>> I guess when the term \"bus\" is used, an address as probably key to\n>>> getting to your destination. ;-)\n>>>\n>>> Dave\n>>>\n>>> On 9/16/07, Juan Rivera <[email protected]> wrote:\n>>> \n>>> \n>>>> All,\n>>>>\n>>>> We need to take up a collection to buy Stephen a large hero badge. He\n>>>> \n> fixed\n> \n>>>> the problem and the receiver is now sitting on my bench happily\n>>>> \n> receiving a\n> \n>>>> signal. The new CAN-Do module that he sent me had a different address\n>>>> \n> than\n> \n>>>> the old one and the old files were addressing the initialization\n>>>> instructions to a non-existent device. All we have to do is change the\n>>>> address field in the initialization files and everything is fine.\n>>>>\n>>>> Whew! The train of life in back on the tracks!\n>>>>\n>>>> 73 to all,\n>>>>\n>>>> Juan\n>>>>\n>>>>\n>>>> _______________________________________________\n>>>> Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA\n>>>> [email protected]\n>>>> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle\n>>>>\n>>>> \n>>>> \n>>> \n>>> \n>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>>\n>> _______________________________________________\n>> Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA\n>> [email protected]\n>> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle\n>> \n>> \n> _______________________________________________\n> Via the Eagle mailing list courtesy of AMSAT-NA\n> [email protected]\n> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/eagle\n>\n>\n>\n> \n\n\n", "attachments": [ { "email": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/api/list/[email protected]/email/Q4WAYYRD2HU6CNONFFHVYLOJWMMHSKUM/", "counter": 2, "name": "attachment.html", "content_type": "text/html", "encoding": "iso-8859-1", "size": 6588, "download": "https://mailman.amsat.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/Q4WAYYRD2HU6CNONFFHVYLOJWMMHSKUM/attachment/2/attachment.html" } ] }