There's the answer I sought AMSAT felt it belonged online and I agree.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Matthew Stevens matthew@mrstevens.net Date: 12/13/17 15:05 (GMT-06:00) To: kg5jup kg5jup@gmail.com Cc: "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net, AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators Err... huh? What does any of this have to do with an unofficial operators guide created by an active operator and Amsat member? Amsat didn’t create the guide. They just thought it good enough to share on the website, as many other member-generated articles have been for years. No one has to vote on what in the end is someone’s opinion! If anything, what Sean did by sharing here on the BB for peer review and suggestions seems like exactly what you’re asking for..
And, as you see from all but a few of the responses, virtually every active operator concurs with his suggested guidelines! This type of thing is best created by someone who has experience in the topic... and Sean does. I personally think he did a great job, and addressed some things that no one really has in writing for a number of years. It’s always great to see a fellow member contributing to everyone’s enjoyment of amateur satellites, instead of just endlessly talking about “some day someone ought to do something.”
73,
- Matthew nj4y
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On Dec 13, 2017, at 15:45, kg5jup kg5jup@gmail.com wrote:
My presence or non presence on the birdies makes no difference. I am a paying member of AMSAT and I hold a ham license (like all of you) therefore my input SHOULD be of value. I am sorry I have disrupted the status quo and enraged the Satellite illuminati. I am going office until such time as I have been sent an RSVP to adult table. Yes my response is almost as childish and absurd what prompted it.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net Date: 12/13/17 12:20 (GMT-06:00) To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators Dave,
Thanks for the good words about the reality of SAT operations.
Apparently, some people do not appreciate DX and/or Roving or Gridding QSOs on our Satellites. They don't realize or care that there is a LOT of time and expense involved with providing these contacts for other SAT users from rare locations.
Amazingly, it seems that some of the vocal folks are objecting to being reminded to use courtesy when the resources are busy with highly sought stations. There are very many SAT passes that are not busy at all. Is it that inconvenient to use those passes?
Even more amazing is that it has been pointed out that some of the objectors haven't been actual users of the Satellites. One would wonder why they are voicing objections in the first place.
Our hobby often has a problem getting folks to volunteer to do some of the needed tasks that we all would benefit from. Then, when someone steps forward to help with a needed task (writing an Operating Practice) there are folks that do nothing but complain about what that volunteer actually does! Go figure!!!
73 & Merry Christmas to ALL!!! de Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593)
From: David Swanson dave@druidnetworks.com To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for Beginning and Experienced Operators
Christopher,
I ask you the same question I asked another earlier in this thread: Do you
actually operate on the Amateur Satellites? I have checked my logs, and I
don't see you in them with your KG5JUP or your AA5EM call sign. Not saying
it's possible I could have missed you, but 5000 logged AMSAT QSOs since
2014 and you're not in them makes a fairly compelling case. Sean is not
trying pass a law by tyrannical decree here, he is an active operator who
has made a lot of contacts and been on both the chasing side and the DX
side of the QSO. He made a list of suggested guidelines based on his (and
other active ops) experiences, and he did a bang up job with it too. If
that rustles your jimmies too much, then maybe you should re-evaluate what
you're expecting by belonging to an organization like AMSAT.
Also - for those that have been around since before AO-91 - please go back
and reference the K0D operation I did with AC0RA last month. We activated
20 rares grids thru the Western Dakotas in 3 days. We only got on 3 FM
passes the entire trip. I got a lot of flack from FM only operators for
avoiding the repeater birds - but this thread is proof positive of exactly
why we did it that way. If folks get upset over asking for some courtesy
towards the rovers out there busting their tail off, that's fine. I for one
am done chasing grids now that I've got my 488 confirmed - and plan to put
some serious effort into roving the next few years. I'm happy to stick to
the linear birds only when on the road, if treating AO91 "like the extra
class" causes people to go to their safe spaces.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:45 AM, kg5jup kg5jup@gmail.com wrote:
I am a little disturbed that these ideas were just published no vote not
input. I am a paying member I had no input. Honest feel like a handful of
individuals who want to treat the birds like the extra class band when
convent and whine when they don't get their way.
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-------- Original message --------From: "Sean K. via AMSAT-BB" <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> Date: 12/12/17 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: Sean Waite <
waisean@gmail.com>, AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb]
FM Satellites: Good Operating Practices for
Beginning and Experienced Operators
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