My apologies on the Twitter claim - when I tried loading it from source nothing was displaying pre January 28th, 2020 - the day of your 'I am signing off of social networking' declaration. (How'd that go btw?) I only assumed you had deleted your tweets.
As to your never ending story changing about the mailing list, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. Go try your story on another mark.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com wrote:
David,
My tweet was NOT deleted, and is still on twitter at https://twitter.com/BrucePerens/status/1154844208458416128 As stated repeatedly, both by myself and Michelle, I did not handle the mailing list, she did. Which was 100% her right as a candidate.
Thanks BruceOn Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
It's always fun to remind folks tripping over their own feat lying that the internet is forever. From a Bruce Perens Tweet on July 13, 2020:
"Please see my letter on the web, or the paper copy I've mailed to everyone one of you".
Of course the original tweet was deleted, but the wayback machine never forgets. Don't Believe me? http://druidnetworks.com/2020-07-13.png
If you still think the membership list wasn't compromised, I just heard Director Thompson will be auctioning off their ocean front property in Arizona to all the members this year to raise funds for their microwave, digital only, strictly open source crowd funded, vegan, social justice aware cubesat launch to Proxima Centauri. Of course this launch will only come after 10 years of ground station development, but fueled with enough hopes, dreams and promises it will become a reality!
For the rest of us who actually want to keep amateur radio in (real) space and are disgusted at the violations of privacy that occured by 3rd parties working to get Director Thompson and Director Stoddard elected, well, you should know what to do.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Michelle Thompson < mountain.michelle@gmail.com> wrote:
No database went anywhere except to candidates. This is allowed in the bylaws.
Then, an automated bulk mail printing server was used. I recommended the company to Brennan Price for this year's mailing. Good service, inexpensive.
Return addresses don't magically transfer information.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 04:32 David Swanson dave@druidnetworks.com
wrote:
Spin Spin Spin. The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the
AMSAT
member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity
for the
purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address,
yet ORI
sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any attempt
to
explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director Thompson
about
the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As I
keep
saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and
this
community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Yes, I can.
That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly
clarified
before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark
asked
me about it, as part of the record.
Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019.
He ran the election.
He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350
words,
would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July holiday with a deadline of the 7th.
This is different than any election before, where statements went directly to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no
one
from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection themselves) had any control over the content of their challengers' statements.
We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four
challengers)
already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up
six
weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link
to.
We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing
list,
and send our own statements, independent of the ballot.
I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export.
Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed
it
widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios
and
statements.
I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes. Since he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted the return address to not be his private home address, but a business address. That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I
used
his preferred return address.
I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I sent the letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements.
That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not
included
with the ballots mailed out, at all.
If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the
primary
factor. We were running against well-known people.
We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and seemed set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents.
The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot. Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need
to be
mailed out on paper. Paper was required.
This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one board meeting, in March, for a bylaws committee.
This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws.
Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot about the return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was commonly done in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to use AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That* would be improper.
No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return
address.
We were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have
time
or funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short notice. The printer required a real return address.
No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because I contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion. That is a neat story in and of itself,, for another time.
Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage.
The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA.
All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board
that
signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought
it
up at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the
record.
I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate twisting of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements
out
to voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce
was
very generous in writing a cover letter.
Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for
election
purposes.
So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this.
Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce Perens, and ORI.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Hello All,
In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we
all
received as members.
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Le...
I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed
before.
"AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses to Open Research Institute."
Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like aserious
breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information lost? was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they
say
"out in the wind"?
Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack
how
ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it something that was procured online?
AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what
it
found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening
in
the future.
I look forward to an answer
73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623
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