Jean Marc,

True, but I was really meaning more the immediate loss that all these teams suffered. I know TIS people were dissapointed, but they are determined to try again.



73
Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)
Saguaro Astronomy Club
Www.saguaroastro.org
Thunderbird Astronomy Club
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-------- Original message --------
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@gmail.com>
Date: 9/5/21 10:58 (GMT-07:00)
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu>
Cc: saguaroastro <saguaroastro@cox.net>, Felix Paez EA4GQS <ea4gqs@gmail.com>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Subject: [AMSAT-BB] Re: Help receiving GENESIS satellites - (and Apollo)

Bob,

The Apollo 13 story has been a greet lesson for me, basically how to to make the best when all goes wrong and I used this example many times in my professional life to demonstrate how to cope in crisis situation. Leadership and down to earth logical solutions. But most important in these case of crisis is have a strong leadership and a captain on board.

About failures and learning from same I guess the SpaceX/Elon Musk experiences these days speaks more that any other ones.

My one cent additional input.

73


Jean Marc (3B8DU)

> On Sep 5, 2021, at 9:39 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm reading the book "Failure is not an option" about the history of the
> Mission Command Center and all the flight controllers for NASA.
> Wow is it great reading.
>
> Author is Gene Kranz, the flight controller for Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo
> as well as Apollo-13
>
> And YES, it is all about learning from the past to be ready for the next one.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 1:30 PM Jean Marc Momple
> <jean.marc.momple@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> As I mentioned to Felix in a personal mail the hard work has not been totally lost and may be this is what is probably the most important,  the team has learn many things such has building a bird, integrate it with the launcher etc.., Actually this is the more important, the learnings and capacity building.
>>
>> We may fail in many missions but the learning from same make us stronger for the future ones if we capture our shortcomings, in this case the launcher issues and I guess they will also have learn from it.
>>
>> In all cases space is our greatest challenge as a specie survival and we HAM with our limited means have a role to play in this adventure thus I just hope that we will do so as when everything does not work CW goes through (Hi!)
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> Jean Marc (3B8DU)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2021, at 8:56 PM, saguaroastro <saguaroastro@cox.net> wro
>>
>> Yes a lot of hard work was lost. I have friends with Teachers in Space. Who los TIS Serenity.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)
>> Saguaro Astronomy Club
>> Www.saguaroastro.org
>> Thunderbird Astronomy Club
>> Www.w7tbc.org
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Felix Paez EA4GQS <ea4gqs@gmail.com>
>> Date: 9/5/21 09:03 (GMT-07:00)
>> To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
>> Subject: [AMSAT-BB] Re: Help receiving GENESIS satellites - launch Friday 3, Sept , 01:00 UTC
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of you for your kind messages!
>>
>> Félix EA4GQS
>>
>> El vie, 3 sept 2021 a las 6:00, Amber Imai-Hong (<akrimai@hawaii.edu>) escribió:
>>>
>>> Felix and Rick,
>>>
>>> Sorry for your loss. I was part of the Hiapo satellite team with Hawaii Science and Technology Museum, also on tonights Firefly launch. Wishing you the best on your next launch!
>>>
>>> Amber, WH6GGI
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 4:52 PM David Spoelstra <davids@mediamachine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Felix-
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the loss of your, and your team's, work. Thank you, and please thank your team, for all their work.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck on your next flight. I know all the FM satellite lovers (like me) are anxiously awaiting the launch!
>>>>
>>>> -David, N9KT
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:37 PM Felix Paez EA4GQS <ea4gqs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, the GENESIS satellites were destroyed along with the Firefly Alpha vehicle as it suffered an anomaly when it was travelling at Mach 1 speed about two minutes after the launch. It was Firefly's first flight and it was the second attempt after the first had been aborted an hour earlier a few seconds before takeoff.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are very proud of all the team work and very grateful for this opportunity Firefly has granted to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> In January we will launch with SpaceX through Alba Orbital, our FM repeaters Hades and EASAT-2. We will keep you posted,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all and regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Felix EA4GQS - AMSAT EA
>>>>>
>>>>> El mié, 1 sept 2021 a las 20:28, Felix Paez EA4GQS (<ea4gqs@gmail.com>) escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a year waiting, finally this Friday 3 at 01:00 UTC our digital GENESIS satellites will be launched from Vanderberg AFB aboard Firefly's Alpha rocket in its maiden flight. These satellites are ASK (OOK) and CW repeaters. They transmit a lot of telemetry and also 19 different CW greeting messages in english and spanish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would like to ask you all to please try to receive them as any information about their transmisions would be very valuable for us. These are the first satellites we build by ourselves and we need to learn everything we can of them.  Waterfalls, audio USB receptions or IQ files would be very appreciated. Please send them to genesis@amsat-ea.org or to ea4gqs@amsat-ea.org. We will send you a nice QSL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initial keplerians are listed below. We expect to provide accurate ones a pair of days after the launch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GENESIS-L
>>>>>> 1 99999U 21200E   21246.13531250  .0011565   00000-0  00000-0 0  9990
>>>>>> 2 99999 137.094   42.0460 0000473 210.6500 291.0540 15.90200000    16
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GENESIS-N
>>>>>> 1 99999U 21200E   21246.13531250  .0011565   00000-0  00000-0 0  9990
>>>>>> 2 99999 137.094   42.0460 0000473 210.6500 291.0540 15.90200000    16
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frequencies:
>>>>>> GENESIS-L
>>>>>> 145.875 MHz uplink, Modes: CW, ASK 50 bps
>>>>>> 436.875 / 434.203 (aux) MHz downlink CW, ASK 50 bps, callsign AM2SAT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GENESIS-N
>>>>>> 145.888 MHz uplink, Modes: CW y ASK 50 bps
>>>>>> 436.888 / 434.216 (aux) MHz downlink CW ASK 50 bps, callsign AM3SAT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Live launch streaming will be held in the channel of EverydayAstronaut in Youtube.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6uKrU_WqJ1R2HMTY3LIx5Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More information about this launch can be found here:
>>>>>> https://everydayastronaut.com/flta001-dream-alpha/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current countdown can be found here:
>>>>>> https://spacelaunchnow.me/launch/firefly-alpha-maiden-flight/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Full GENESIS transmission descriptions can be found here:
>>>>>> https://www.amsat-ea.org/app/download/12293076/AMSAT+EA+-+GENESIS+transmissions+description.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance and regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Felix EA4GQS - AMSAT EA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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