While anything is possible I will be very surprised (pleasntly) if there is another amateur radio satellite with a liquid propulsion system that is managed by any amateur group that gets a ride into any sort of HEO transfer orbit.Ion engines might be different but after AO-40 and its propulsion issues the days of amateurs playing with rocket engines on commercial flights I suspect is over.
Robert WB5MZO and soon S2 something
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On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:09 PM, "John Stephensen" kd6ozh@comcast.net wrote:
The problem is that the government is no longer paying for those expenses as they did in the past. The $8,000,000 is the incremental cost not the cost of the entire launch.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" pabutusa@gmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 15:54 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 3
I don't think we'll ever be in a position to "buy" a launch the most we will ever be able to do is hope to piggy-back with a paying customer and possibly contribute to "expenses."
Maybe having a payload "on the shelf ready" isn't such a bad plan .... if a "short window of opportunity" were to open up ... and we had nothing ready that would be an opportunity lost. Maybe we should have various payloads sitting on the shelf (cube, micro, mini, P3) just in case.
Piggy-back rides is how Amateur Radio Satellites got their start .... it's the only way to continue.
--> Rob, KA2PBT
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Stephensen kd6ozh@comcast.net wrote:
AMSAT-DL was the lead for phase 3 because they were able to get almost-free launches from ESA. However, ESA terminated that policy 10 years ago and AMSAT-DL has been trying to get government funding through their Mars program. That was rejected a year or two ago. Private launch companies are asking for $8,000,000..The world-wide fund raising by AMSAT-DL, AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-Japan, ARRL and RSGB for each of the phase 3 launches acheived less than 10% of what is now required for a launch.
In the past, a launch opportunity was identified by ESA and then a satellite was built by AMSAT. P3E did the reverse -- building a satellite and hoping for a launch. I brought up AMSAT-DL because someone was complaining that AMSAT-NA was leading them on about HEO possibilities. They should review videos of the AMSAT-DL presentations at the annual AMSAT-UK meetings. AMSAT-NA has been much more realistic.
73,
John KD6OZH
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