After reading this thread, I figured it'd be worthwhile to set up a mediawiki instance to let people get familiar with it. I set one up last night on a node for my own enlightenment. The configuration is not "the best" by any means. For those interested in timeframe, it took thirty minutes to configure this instance from a clean arch linux installation. If you are interested in poking around in the environment to see what it feel like, go ahead, that's why I set it up. I disabled email registration, so anyone can just create an account and get a feel for creating pages / editing / preferences / etc... Tonight, i'm going to hack at creating my own skin, since it would just be cool :-) I added the amsat logo to the main page for testing, I hope this doesn't violate any copyright rules.... If it does, hollar and i'll remove it.
For the record, I have nothing to do with Amsat right now, outside of being a first time member this year. I also don't want anyone to think that i'm pushing for media wiki or anything of the sort. I just like the idea of having a wiki. I read the email thread and figured it'd be worthwhile to set an instance up so Amsat folk could get familiar with it. I have managed two other wiki systems on my own, trac / moinmoin. MediaWiki has quite a bit to offer and is reasonably easy to configure.
Here's a link to the playground:
Let me know if you have any comments or questions (or if you get any weird behavior).
Joseph Armbruster, KJ4JIO www.joevial.com
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Alan VE4YZ ve4yz@mts.net wrote:
Thanks for your comments Tim. I'm accumulating some responses off-list in addition to what y'all can read here. I don't want to go into solution mode at this early stage. Your concern is valid and worst case is that the secure web e-commerce that AMSAT is now comfortable with would be linked to from any new platform.
From: Tim - N3TL [mailto:n3tl@bellsouth.net] Sent: September 8, 2009 7:01 PM To: Alan VE4YZ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
Alan and all,
Here's my 2 cents' worth - coming from someone who admittedly knows very little about the tools, skills and resources necessary to develop and maintain a Web site.
Alan, you write: "It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site."
How does the AMSAT store fit into this, and is it possible to "mix" a wiki-style "access for all" site with one that will include areas for the entry and transfer of secure, private information (e.g., credit card information for purchases)?
I ask this because I don't know of another major nonprofit that uses a wiki-style site because of the need to incorporate an ecommerce site as part of the overall Web presence.
My initial reaction to a Wiki approach is - no - for those reasons.
I hope someone can provide more information here to me and everyone who reads the BB that might help mitigate my concerns. I further hope someone who is truly interested in mitigating the issues seemingly so many here have with the AMSAT Web site will attend the Board meeting in October to continue this kind of dialogue with the Board.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
From: Alan VE4YZ ve4yz@mts.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:38:30 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: broken links
IMHO fixing the existing site is not the answer.
If the executives will okay the use of a Wiki format, I am sure that 3 or 4 of us can communicate off list to set up a group to install and administer a Wiki on another server.
We can call it The SIG ( Satellite Interest Group ) or whatever for now. Any and All AMSAT members can then be registered to maintain the Wiki. If the members and executive like the results it can be migrated to the AMSAT server. It must include RSS, news feeds, and a forum in addition to all the stuff ( current or otherwise ) on the existing AMSAT site.
The cost to this 3 or 4 person ( or more ) "steering committee" would be the registration of a name and a year on a web hosting service such as GoDaddy what runs a similar server a AMSAT's host. Or, use the AMSAT hosting company. So this small group would have to come up with less than one year's AMSAT membership to start this project.
We use an Open Source Wiki, no more customized PHP like the current site that is high maintenance and really hard for anyone to get into the head of any former code whacker to modify or update.
We need the AMSAT exec okay because there would be a lot of cut 'n paste of old stuff from the existing site into the pilot project where is would be available for updating a la Wiki.
I don't do this for a living, I do maintain a couple of club web sites, but I bet we have a member reading this who is a professional web-whacker who might oversee the team and keep us from making dumb decisions such as choosing the wrong open source wiki to being with.
That's my 2 cents and just one warm body being offered for the effort.
73, Alan VE4YZ EN19kv AMSAT LM 2352 http://www.wincube.ca
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com wrote:
So who among you would like to volunteer to rewrite some of the articles and bring them up to date?
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