I had heard the story before, maybe from Phil at Symposium, but it is good to hear it again. I remember fondly using KA9Q NOS TCP/IP when I was at University. We used it to demo connecting to the PDP11 in the radio shack from a Sinclair Z88 using a TNC and PYE Westminster with a packet crystal. That was in front of all the incoming Electronic Eng and Comp Sci students. The whole setup fitted in a brief case. We picked up quite a few new members from that. It was great stuff.
We definitely need more of that type of thing today. Thanks for guiding this money into a fund that benefits Amateur Radio and STEM. I think that is fantastic,
73 Chris
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:13 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Indeed this is fascinating! Thanks for sharing it, Phil.
I wonder if there are any other non-commercial entities holding big blocks of addresses. I suppose it would not be THAT hard to find out. (I'm pretty sure HP via Digital holds a whole quad's worth unless they have sold it off or split it among their various spin-offs since I worked there, but this obviously a commercial entity). MIT? Stanford?
73, Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Phil,
I appreciate your summary of all this. Apparently, I am late to the game on this news story, but maybe I am not the only one and hopefully others
on
the -bb learned something from this moment in history. I know I sure
did!!
Joseph Armbruster KJ4JIO
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:25 AM Phil Karn karn@ka9q.net wrote:
On 9/11/20 03:43, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually? Was that the kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and it was all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper? In 2010 though, why did Brian need to ask Hank at all? I mean at that point, they were your individual property. I'm surprised whatever university you were attending did not try to stake a claim to them. Was there any paper trail regarding the ownership / transfer between the original 1980 phone call request and ARDC's inheritance?
IP addresses were registered somewhat informally in the early days when the Internet was a research project and address blocks were free, but they were regularly published in various Internet documents like RFCs (Requests for Comments). When the Internet grew up, more formal
entities
like ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) and ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), among others, were created to register who owned what and to make those databases publicly available. At various times, Hank, Brian and I were on all these lists next to network 44, making us each at various times the legal owners.
I haven't been a student anywhere since I graduated from CMU with my MSEE in 1979.
Since control had been passed informally between us over the years according to whoever was then most willing to do the work, when IPv4 addresses began to get scarce we got concerned that someone might try
to
grab them from us hams. So Brian proposed to create the nonprofit ARDC to legally own network 44. Since Hank's name and mine had also been associated with 44 at various times, Brian thought it important to make sure all of us were OK with it. I for one never thought twice about it. In fact, when it later dawned on us just *how* much this thing might soon be worth, I was even more glad that we'd all agreed.
For many years Brian rejected inquiries to buy or even lease part of network 44, but eventually we (the ARDC board) realized that, with IPv6 finally being deployed, IPv4 addresses wouldn't be in demand forever.
So
we authorized him to seek a buyer of the upper 1/4 that had never been used. I never quite let myself believe that Brian would pull it off.
But
he did, and now we have a pretty good endowment to do neat things with in ham radio, open source and STEM education.
What really ticks me off, and always will, is that Brian had the vision and did all the hard work yet only lived long enough to see our first two grants (TAPR student scholarships and the ARISS power supply project). Fate has a truly wicked sense of humor.
Phil
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