Thanks for the input. I just happen to have one of the Comet filters so I will give it a whirl. I was suspecting the 3rd harmonic could be the issue.  I plan on putting the pre-amp at the antenna as soon as mother nature gets rid of winter. Will let you folks know the outcome.

 

73//Dave WB9YIG

 

From: Jean Marc Momple [mailto:jean.marc.momple@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2022 12:01 PM
To: Matthias Bopp
Cc: Dave Julian; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [AMSAT-BB] Re: IC-9700 and PS 70 not playing well together - More from 3B8DU

 

Dave,

 

Sorry for several mails, but what seems obvious to one is not necessarily well communicated as in this case (my fault).

 

Your filter and preamp should be as near as possible to the antenna, I put same at end of boom just behind the reflector element, the reason is simple which is to avoid the maximum of coax loss which seems to be a real issue in your case.

 

73

 

 

Jean Marc (3B8DU)

 

 



On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:41 PM, Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dave,

 

Forgot to say that bandpass filters at VHF and UHF normally have an insertion loss of a fraction of a dB (around <0.2 dB) thus the loss putting it in front of your preamp is negligible loss compared with the noise created by the 3rd harmonic of the 2m Tx.

 

Hope this also helps.

 

73

 

 

Jean Marc (3B8DU)



On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:31 PM, Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dave,

 

As Matthias suggested I highly recommend filters be added before the preamp, I mean between antenna and preamp..

 

I made many experiment with same. The reason is actually quite logical, your preamp will amplify both the wanted signal and also the 3rd harmonic from your Tx 2m transmission (which falls within the 70cm band) and possibly overload it) thus the wanted amplification at 70cm will be well below the noise created by your 3rd Tx harmonics (worse offender normally).

 

Just a suggestion and hope it work for your setup.

 

73

 

 

Jean Marc (3b8DU)



On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Matthias Bopp <matthias.bopp@dd1us.de> wrote:

 

Hello Dave,

 

you can do 2 things:

 

  1. Add a highpass filter or bandpass filter in your receive path in order to suppress the 2m signal as good as possible.
    You can try first to insert the filter in front of your receiver (between the preamp and your receiver) and if that is not 
    helping (enough) insert it in front of the preamplifier. 
    Here is a link how to build such a filter: http://www.dd1us.de/Downloads/Mode-J%20Filter%20rev1_1.pdf


  2. Add a lowpass filter to your 2m transmitter in order to reduce the harmonics emitted in the 70cm band as good as possible.

 

Kind regards

 

Matthias

 

 

 

Von: Dave Julian via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org> 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Februar 2022 17:41
An: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Betreff: [AMSAT-BB] IC-9700 and PS 70 not playing well together

 

Just got a new SSB SP 70 preamplifier for my IC-9700 and having an issue with working 435 RX satellites like RS-44.

The amplifier works fine but I am getting terrible overloaad from the 2M TX signal. It causes the OVF light to come on and

very distorted audio. I have lowered the RX gain and TX power on the IC-9700 but by that time it kind of defeats the purpose

of a preamplifier. My set-up is an M2 2MCP22 with fixed polarity on 2m and a 436CP30 with the PS-70Cm polarity switch for UHF.

I have about a 200' run on LMR-400 to the base of the tower with lightning arrestors then about 40' of RG-213 to the antennas.

For testing I have the Sp 70 preamplifier temporarly installed at the base of the tower. No preamplifier for 2m.

Power to the preamplifier is over the coax from the IC-9700. I am looking any any suggestions on sorting this out.

I have removed the PS 70 at this point to avoid damage the radio or preamplifier.

 

Thanks

Dave WB9YIG 


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