Thank you Bernie,
I very much appreciated your post and "cooling" things down.
Well done,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bernie and Cheryl hamdan@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Dear Folks:
I certainly don't want to argue with the central premise, i.e., that when there's a rare grid square, it is good operating practice to back off of the bird and let everyone have a crack at working the "DX". Neither do I have a problem with good operating practice dictating that people not hog the bird (as has been described by Paul and other posters). I do have a problem with public shaming, especially if not preceded with a congenial email suggesting that the operator in question give people a chance. Most folks have their email addresses on QRZ.com.
The important thing to remember is that AMSAT hasn't published (to my knowledge) a rule stating that /only/ certain types of QSO's can occur on the FM satellites. I just looked at the website and there is a section called "Working Your First Satellite" and I don't see anything on there like that. The section on "Communications Satellites" has nothing like that either. Unless the control operators of the satellite (e.g., AO-91) made a decision in that vein, then the bird is open to all comers.
Paul's post mentioned that the FM birds open up the hobby to a lot of people. That means the FM birds are going to have new people on them, and I think good operating practice indicates that people are welcomed on satellites, and if they make a mistake, the "suggestion" to improve their operating practice occurs in such a way that they aren't shamed, i.e., a tasteful email or perhaps even a snail mail.
His post also mentioned that he monitored Twitter and took some other steps while preparing for the pass. I have to be honest and say I'm not a big social media person. I only opened up a Facebook page last year, and don't really know or care to know how to get on Twitter. Other than checking when AOS occurs, I typically don't do that much preparation for a pass. I don't think that disqualifies me from being able to operate on the birds. Like I said above, I will back off if I'm aware that there's a rare grid square on there, but I don't always know that's the case. All of us are coming within the footprint of the bird at different times, and so the newest person in the footprint won't always know what's happening at that moment.
I guess the reason why this thread affected me to the point that I felt the need to reply is that I could see the situation degenerating very quickly into a war between two classes of operators. And then, given the nature of FM birds, it will be impossible for anyone to use them (it would be relatively easy for one angry operator to jam the bird during a pass), short of handing out CTSS tone codes to a select group. Until something like that happens, the satellites are a shared resource, and we're always going to be faced with folks who screw up unintentionally. I'd just hate to see a flame war on the birds like we sometimes see on the internet.
I'm not suggesting that satellite operating is "The Wild Wild West". I think it's just a matter of education, and courtesy.
Admittedly, I'm on the FM birds rarely (I've operated AO-91 exactly once). I prefer the linear transponder satellites with their opportunity to have a real conversation as opposed to shouting out grid squares, but recognize (as Adrian points out in his post) that the setup for those birds requires more infrastructure that may be beyond a lot of people. However, I've been around a while (my first satellite QSO was on RS-10 back in 1994) and I remember how excited I was when I made my first QSO's, and know how devastated I would have been if someone called me out in a public forum because I did something wrong that I didn't know was wrong.
All I'm asking for is that all operators in good faith be granted a modicum of courtesy, and we should be careful before deciding that someone is acting in bad faith. I love this hobby and my heart aches at some of the stuff I've heard on 75 meters, and on the local 2 meter repeaters. I'd hate to see that transfer over to the satellite community, which by and large, seems to be pretty professional.
See you all on the birds. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS
On 12/10/2017 11:35 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote:
There's no need to work a hundred stations on every pass of AO-91,
especially when two guys in rare grids with low power equipment are attempting to hand them out. It's all about situational awareness.
I remember situations like this arising during AO-51 operation. Of particular note beside working 100 stations on a 10 minute pass were those fellows on AO-51 with enough aluminum and RF wattage to capture the AO-51 receiver then greet each other every morning like they hadn't spoken for 20 years. They would then give each other a weather report. This was followed with a status of breakfast report. We often found out someone's dog needed to step outside! Then the same 3 or 4 fellows would repeat this again on the next pass. They would begin with the missing-person from 20 years ago greetings ... even though they had already greeted each other 90 minutes ago.
Other operators began note these boorish manners and after a while much of that behavior was gradually moderated and mostly went away.
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org
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