Gary,
That has been suggested in the past, but I'm not sure it would work. I heard several stations ignoring the one QSO rule on the one pass of SO-50 that I listened to. That rule is longstanding and well known, so I don't know how you'd actually implement some sort of net control system.
The best solution is having many options available to try. Hopefully next year will be better with the addition of Fox-1Cliff, Fox-1D, and RadFxSat / Fox-1B to the FM satellite fleet.
By the way, LilacSat-2 passes during Field Day were quite underutilized. I called for several minutes on the first East Coast pass before working one station. I then heard another station call with no reply, so I worked them as well. Many more stations could have gotten the satellite bonus by checking the AMSAT status page and seeing that it was on. This brings me back to my original point, if people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active, how are you going to coordinate a net control system as suggested? A couple of us were joking that people were probably still trying to work AO-27 and AO-51 during Field Day.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Gary "Joe" Mayfield kk0sd1@att.net wrote:
Awesome Field Day report Paul! Good Job!
Now the week after Field Day is the time for RATIONAL discussion of the single contact FM satellite rule:
Does anyone think it works? Does anyone think it is better than the past?
I will once again trot out my idea for the slings and arrows of others. + I would love to hear your ideas.
Here is my idea:
We call on our membership to establish two well equipped stations for the FM satellites on Field Day. A possibility would be a station using the call W1AW in the east and another using K6KPH in the west. The only FM satellite contacts that would 'count' would be those working W1AW or K6KPH. These commanding stations would be able to hand out contacts quickly and many more folks would be able to get a satellite contact in the log. As it is now the best station to call is one that just completed a contact (because you heard their exchange information) - but that station is prevented by the rules from returning the call without going over their limit.
Think of it as two stations running and everyone else searching and pouncing. It has got be better than what we have now.
My Opinion, 73, Joe, kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:12 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] N8HM Field Day Report - 1B MDC
I only worked satellites during Field Day and I ended up making 97 QSOs on 24 passes of all active 10 voice satellites during the 24 hour period. My score for AMSAT Field Day was 83 points.
The breakdown by satellite is below:
AO-7B - 2 QSOs AO-73 - 10 QSOs, 1 dupe AO-85 - 1 QSO, 5 excess FM QSOs FO-29 - 37 QSOs, 4 dupes LilacSat-2 - 1 QSO, 1 excess FM QSO SO-50 - 1 QSO Ukube-1 - 6 QSOs XW-2A - 11 QSOs XW-2C - 6 QSOs, 2 dupes XW-2F - 8 QSOs, 1 dupe
Total - 83 valid phone QSOs, 8 dupes, 6 excess FM QSOs = 83 points
The major difference between AMSAT and ARRL Field Day rules for satellite is that "satellite" is considered a single band while for AMSAT Field Day, each satellite transponder is considered a separate band. For example, if I worked WD9EWK in SSB on FO-29 and then in SSB on XW-2A, that would be worth two points under AMSAT rules, but only one point under ARRL rules. VE3YRA was my most worked station this year - I worked them on six different satellites.
I was operating 1B from the parking lot/courtyard of my apartment building in southwest Washington, DC.
The equipment I used was as follows:
2 x Yaesu FT-817 (with 3000 mAh internal LiPo batteries) Microset VUR-30 dual band amplifier 5100 mAh LiPo battery for the amplifier High Sierra Microwave LNAA432 preamplifier High Sierra Microwave LNAA146FIL filtered 2m preamp Arrow II 146/437-10BP Dual Band Handheld Yagi
All of this was carried in a camera bag and held by shoulder straps while I held the Arrow in my hand.
It was lots of fun, though tiring to head downstairs and outside for 24 different passes. I only slept for about 2.5 hours between 3:30am and 6:00am (and skipped a pair of AO-7 passes as a result).
One big issue I notice during Field Day is the use of excess power on the transponders and the inexperience and/or inadequate stations used by many of the satellite operators. Many times I would call a station and not receive a reply or someone would start CQing or tuning up on top of me. This was especially noticeable on AO-73 and UKube-1 as the frequencies for the uplink are somewhat different than published. It sounded like many were trying to use their computers to correct for Doppler and did not have the experience necessary to set the uplink offset. I heard several "ditters" trying to find themselves for entire passes. Operating satellites isn't difficult, but it does take some practice and experience to understand the characteristics of each satellite. Trying to figure it out at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday is not the recipe for success.
I would note that my excess FM QSOs (both ARRL and AMSAT rules allow only one QSO per FM satellite, AMSAT rules further limit APRS digipeater QSOs to one per satellite as well) were made because stations were calling and attempting to make a contact with no one else replying and I wanted to make sure they got their QSO.
It's fun doing Field Day from home, but next year I think I would like to head to a Field Day site and help with satellite operations for a club (and maybe fill in elsewhere between passes).
73,
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