[AMSAT-BB] Re: Fixing the FM Stompfest

9 Aug 2022

      FM Satellites consume much more energy than a linear satellite.
FM is 5khz wide at the very most. How many SSB transmissions can you fit in 
one 5khz slot? Two, easily without each operator stepping on each other.
Instead of transmitting 20 watts ERP on FM to have a near noise free 
uplink/downlink, a few watts SSB, CW, SSTV etc would make better use of a 
satellite and it's resources.
If you were to channelize one or two birds with 3 channels each, the life 
span of those birds might be half that of the rest of the fleet that is 
always zooming over our heads. It would be "nice" for a while but a waste 
of resources. I suspect that we would still have those that would 
monopolize the birds....but you have that anywhere on ham radio too.
I'm new to this satellite operating...only a little over a week into this. 
I tried many years ago to listen for ISS but was unsuccessful and didn't 
have the time or resources to track ISS and everything else in space. I 
didn't realize it was so easy to hit a satellite with an HT and a portable 
directional antenna, but there is more up there ....just wish the gear was 
not cost prohibitive in some cases...but baby steps!
If I can't always make a contact, I just copy down the call signs that I 
hear and their grid squares. That is a thrill all on its own when you look 
to see where everyone is located.
My daughter's are fascinated that one can talk to the hams on ISS. What was 
icing on the cake for them was one night ISS passed over head...it was a 
week ago at night. I had my HT tuned in and was listening. I even tried to 
make a contact but 10 watts, a rubber duck antenna and a busy night as ISS 
flew over...I don't think anyone heard us, but my daughter's were 
fascinated to see it zoom by over head and hear them on the radio at the 
same time.
That is what part of the hobby is all about.
Bob Carter
MidAtlantic-Engineering-Service L.L.C.
FCC Licensee:
KC4QLP - WQJK414 - WRFT769 - RR00096040
maes-llc.com
kc4qlp.com
On August 8, 2022 11:39:11 PM crohtun--- via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org 
wrote:
...
So why not channelize the next gen of FM sats so there’s more than one 
channel available per pass. That would spread the users and reduce the 
congestion. And while we’re at it, have a dedicated rover channel where 
only rovers throw out callsign and grid and all others are responders, not 
initiators of QSOs.
Ray KN2K
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On Monday, August 8, 2022, 10:54 PM, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net 
wrote:
Mark,
I totally agree. Sharing is the main issue that isn't happening enough
on "the Easy-SATs". The experienced Rovers are well aware of NOT
hogging a pass and they try to avoid doing that. But, they can't help
when a pileup ensues when they are at a rare location. And, there are
many Chasers that only have FM capability and they need to be
accommodated, as well.
It's just the nature of having a single-channel resource that can be accessed
from much of NA and possibly thousands of Hams at the same time. Only
one signal can get in and be readable at any moment as we know. That is
pretty much the formula for chaos and mayhem.
I don't claim to know what the solution is, but trying to prevent certain
users from having access to the SATs they support is not it.
GL/73,    Bob  K8BL
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 06:52:22 PM EDT, Mark Johns, K0JM 
k0jm.mark@gmail.com wrote:
Not suggesting the sats should be "off limits." I'm suggesting that users 
should be courteous and welcoming to others, especially newcomers. That 
means not hogging the bird.
--
Mark D. Johns, KØJM
AMSAT Ambassador & News Service Editor
Brooklyn Park, MN USA   EN35hd

"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
---Mark Twain
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 5:19 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
My comment still stands. Making SATs "off-limits" for "certain users"
for "certain reasons" makes no sense and couldn't be enforced. Besides,
those users are just as much AMSAT Members as everyone else and
have been the biggest supporters for many years. My 2 cents.
de Bob  K8BL
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 03:50:20 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB 
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
What is the primary reason we are all working for the good of AMSAT?
"To build satellites, and to disseminate information about them to the planet.”
We’re not a “contest club.” That’s icing on the cake for those interested.
We need to welcome those new to this aspect of the hobby. Give ‘em prime time.
Working only five days a week - during less-trafficked passes - would be a 
blast
for award-seekers.
Clint K6LCS
...
On Aug 8, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Liddy (K8BL) k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Let's see....  Make SATs "off-limits" for the folks who use
them the most.

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