To All,
Finally, leaving Galileo "off the table" right now, I believe Bruce's post gets to the core of what is causing the concern among members. I would hope the Board and the design team gives Bruce's questions due reflection.
The designers and the Board must look to the users for their direction. If users want 145 up and 29 down, and that will satisfy their satellite communications needs, then by golly that's what you put in space even though it isn't technically cute or fashionable. They're the main source of donations (I think unless there are a few well heeled donors with deep pockets driving the ship). In short the Board should be working at the behest of the membership.
Where does all this high duty cycle, high bandwith 256 kbps digital video and text messaging come from anyway? Are we trying to be a cell phone company in space? It neat for sure, but what percentage of our members can make the technical and financial investment for this specialized mode. (This mode wasn't even proposed in the 2004 survey - as read it)
How can I put this nicely? Well, I can't so here goes.
AMSAT should be building satellites that meet majority user requirements not build satellites for the technical ego's of a few.
Ouch - there I said it!
Bruce's suggestion for "user advocates" is good but the organization might well find that it is just another impediment to doing their design work. But no need! The user's spoke in 2004. Perhaps a new user survey is in order - though judging from the comments on the -bb, the opinions have not likely changed.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Rahn Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:28 PM To: John B. Stephensen Cc: AMSAT BB; K3IO@verizon.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Galileo interference on L band
John B. Stephensen wrote:
Part of the concern about using L as the primary digital uplink is the fact that the ground stations will be high duty cycle emitters. BPSK has a very low crest factor and one of the uses for a 256 kbps link is streaming video, so it will be very much like an ATV repeater. Given the equatorial orbit, Eagle will also be closer to the horizon than previous amateur HEOs.
Even a restriction similar to the one in place for U uplinks in areas of the U.S. (1 kW EIRP) would make high-speed uplinks unavailable.
John,
Thank you for bringing this point to my attention...through my neglect of things I have lost track of the dominance the digital mode has taken in this project. You are correct that this signal format is a high duty cycle one. My thoughts of where Eagle was heading have been more aligned with the desires of the membership expressed in the survey results presented in the September/October 2004 issue of "The AMSAT Journal".
I'm going to ask some hypothetical questions here which I really don't expect you or anyone to answer. They are more food for thought than anything else.
- As part of the system engineering process, were other bit rates and modulation schemes considered which would mitigate potential interference problems?
- What percentage of the user base (AMSAT-NA members) would be disenfranchised if digital video were eliminated because of its high duty cycle requirements and the potential for causing interference to other spectrum users?
- In the aforementioned survey results, the surveyed members indicated their highest preference was for analog modes followed in second place by digital. Has the user mindset shifted to digital over analog? If not, or unknown, are the spacecraft resources being fairly partitioned and allocated to support analog users? What percentage of the user community will be using digital video and text messaging?
In a private exchange with Mr. Sanford, I expressed my concern that the user community was not being represented by a strong 'user advocate' at critical design meetings. 'Designers are not users and users are not designers' but both camps must be fairly represented to achieve harmony and consensus between the two. Bringing a strong 'user advocate' into the design process would be a win-win situation for both the user community as well as the design community. Users would feel someone is directly addressing their operational concerns and the 'user advocate' could be the one defending decisions rather than occupying the time of the designers in addressing these concerns.
I believe in the 20 plus years I have been an AMSAT member history has demonstrated that the 'if we build it they will come' approach has not worked well. Had it been successful, the organization would have more resources in terms of members and dollars than we could deal with.
Respectfully -- Bruce
-- Bruce Rahn
Wisdom has two parts: 1. having a lot to say; and 2. not saying it!
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