800W EIRP should work -- the SNR will just be 2 dB lower. We used 1 kW EIRP as the requirement as it is the power limit in many parts of the U.S. I don't remember any publishedspecification for the AO-40 uplink, so I can't make a numberical comparison.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg D." ko6th_greg@hotmail.com To: kd6ozh@comcast.net; kb5mu@amsat.org; tmcgrane@suffolk.lib.ny.us Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 04:15 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Eagle U/V modes
1kw EIRP... I've got about 100w into a 2x8 CP antenna (guessing 8dbi ?), so that's about the same. How does this compare to the uplink requirements for U/S on AO-40? I was able (accidentally) to get Leila's attention with that.
Greg KO6TH
----Original Message Follows---- From: "John B. Stephensen" kd6ozh@comcast.net To: "Greg D." ko6th_greg@hotmail.com,kb5mu@amsat.org,tmcgrane@suffolk.lib.ny.us CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Eagle U/V modes Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:14:05 -0000
We're planing on 1 kW PEP EIRP (25 W into a 14 dBic antenna) U-band uplinks for SSB on Eagle.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg D." ko6th_greg@hotmail.com To: kb5mu@amsat.org; tmcgrane@suffolk.lib.ny.us Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 04:08 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Eagle U/V modes
Two thoughts on Paul's comments:
- I was also excited by what I heard about the Text Messaging proposal.
Has anybody approached (or future tense, could anyone approach) Kenwood for a re-program of their TH-D7? I suspect that the internal processing capabilities won't be sufficient, but if it worked, that might provide a readily available platform for a new product. If not the D7, maybe the D700?
- What I thought I heard at the Symposium was that we wouldn't need such
a massive station to work Eagle's traditional UV transponder. While I expect there were many such "baseline" stations in existence around the planet, I wonder how many are still operational after years of no HEO UV birds and all the affects of weather? Then there are those of us who cannot put such a station on the air, lacking the space and/or neighborhood setting (cc&r) to do so. I managed a few contacts on AO-10 and one on AO-13 with my 8 footer, under unusually good conditions, but they were an ear strain. I had planned to need to go to LS on Echo until the Symposium convinced me that I'd be fine on UV. Do I need to re-think that?
Thanks to all the presenters at the Symposium. Great event!
Greg KO6TH
----Original Message Follows---- From: Paul Williamson kb5mu@amsat.org To: McGrane tmcgrane@suffolk.lib.ny.us CC: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Eagle U/V modes Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:39:56 -0700
At 10:23 AM -0400 10/8/06, McGrane wrote:
Could someone please explain further the capabilities of the U/V text messaging mode. Would this incude the use of typical packet equipment?
No. In order to transfer information (even at low data rates) with very small antennas and low power, it's necessary to use every trick in the digital optimization book, so it won't be compatible with existing packet equipment.
By very small, it's meant that the radio might clip onto the back of a handheld PDA, with an antenna system small enough to be manageable handheld. Probably not as small as a rubber duckie, but something that doesn't need pointing. Exact details are still to be designed.
There's not a lot of detail yet about how the system will work from a user standpoint. The work so far has been on making the links work and determining the spacecraft requirements. For higher level architecture, one idea is to use Jabber, which is an open protocol for instant messaging (keyboard chat) used on the internet. It's thought that many of the applications that work on APRS would work great on this system (not just positioning).
Now would be a good time to throw out your ideas for applications for a service like this, so the system designers can try to accommodate them.
(The above info is based on what I heard at the Space Symposium and not to be considered official in any way.)
Could some old timers describe a typical AO-13 or AO-40 mode U/V station for my education and to help me build a station.
The baseline AO-13 Mode B station was a 20-foot-long circularly polarized cross-yagi for 2m, plus a 14-to-20-foot circularly polarized cross-yagi for 70cm, mounted for azimuth and elevation rotation. Rather short low-loss coax feed (e.g., Belden 9913) or a mast-mounted low-noise preamp on the downlink. On the uplink, operators who wanted to work under all conditions had about 100 watts available, but under good conditions much less power was needed. Continuously variable uplink power was considered mandatory since being too loud is bad practice and being too weak meant marginal stations couldn't hear you. SSB and/or CW capability on the radios. Most conveniently, a single-box "satellite" rig would allow the use of a single knob to tune around the transponder, but separate transmit and receive rigs were also common.
Seriously hard-core stations who wanted to hear down to the transponder noise floor even when conditions were poor would phase two or more of the 20-foot cross-yagis. It was good to have a few of those stations around to pick out the very weak uplinks, but it wasn't really necessary for most users to have that much gain.
Computer control of the rotators was convenient but not necessary, since the satellite moves slowly across the sky. Likewise computer control of radio frequency was generally not required, since the Doppler shift changed rather slowly.
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