I do too. I received my ballot today with 40 cents postage on the envelope. AMSAT has around 3000 members last count I remember reading. That means it cost $1200 in postage to mail out the ballots the first time. Now the second mailing will cost another $1200 in postage. Now add the cost of envelopes, paper and printing. How many members have to renew at $48 to pay for the election. For a small organization fighting to survive financially this is not an insignificant amount of money.
73, Frank K6FW
On 7/17/18 10:46 PM, Devin L. Ganger wrote:
I, for one, want to spend AMSAT $$$ on satellites and ground terminals, not voting systems.
Maybe I'm crazy.
-- Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG) email: devin@thecabal.org web: Devin on Earth cell: +1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:40 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 2018 Corrected AMSAT Board of Directors Ballots
If electronic ballots are good enough for the major investment firms board of directors elections, I can't imagine they would not be good enough for AMSAT.
Frank K6FW On 7/17/18 9:55 PM, Eric Fort wrote:
The basic problem with electronic voting is proving who is behind the
keyboard and tracing the data with integrity such that each voter only casts one ballot. With paper ballots this is possible. What is done is the paper ballot is placed in an envelope that is signed by the voter. The signature and registration info can then be compared on receipt, verifying that one and only one ballot was cast by that specific voter. The ballot is then separated from the envelope to be counted assuring the anonymity of the voter. In the digital realm one can not have anonymity, traceability, and verifiablity simultaneously. These are mathematically proven therems and entire papers and PhD thesis’s have been written on this topic proving this exact thing. Do the research. Paper verified ballots really are the only way.
Eric Af6ep
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On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Mike Diehl diehl.mike.a@gmail.com wrote:
Disagree. There are online services that are just as, if not more, secure as
your medical information or where you spend your money. Going to print with anything takes a lot more work than simply providing some options to a voting service. Then there’s postage. Online is also more convenient, you can pretty much do it anytime, anywhere you want. Think of it like LOTW for QSLs, saves a ton in paper, postage and trips to the post.
Last but not least is I don’t see a real threat of people “hacking” the
elections for jobs that don’t pay and are full of criticism.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID
On Jul 17, 2018, at 19:44, Eric Fort eric.fort.listmail@fortconsulting.org
wrote:
Let’s not get into electronic voting. Too much opportunity to “hack the
vote”. It’s unfortunate that an error was made and not caught prior to printing and mailing but electronic voting is not the answer.
Eric Af6ep
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On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Gabriel Zeifman
gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
How unfortunate that our cash strapped, technology oriented organization is having to waste so much money to print and mail two sets of paper ballots to each and every member. Seems to me that electronic voting would save the organization money, make voting more secure and efficient, prevent mishaps such as this, and prevent some members from not receiving ballots like last year.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 2:33 PM Clayton Coleman W5PFG
tasmac@w5pfg.us wrote:
> Due to a printing error, the beige-colored ballots mailed to > AMSAT-NA members for the 2018 Board of Directors election on July > 15, 2018 have been declared void. Any of these voided ballots > received at the AMSAT-NA office will not be counted. > > New ballots, labeled “CORRECTED BALLOT 7/20/2018” and printed on > yellow-colored cardstock will be mailed to all AMSAT-NA members. > > Please vote for no more than three of the 2018 candidates: > Tom Clark, K3IO > Mark Hammond, N8MH > Scott Harvey, KA7FVV > Bruce Paige, KK5DO > Peter Portanova, W2JV > > The Directors positions will go to the three candidates receiving > the highest number of votes. In addition, there will be two > alternate members chosen, based on the next highest number of
votes received.
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