[amsat-bb] Re: [eu-amsat] Re: Good ideas for the AO-7 log.

5 Mar 2008


      Igor,
        You're right of course, the actual "data" is public domain, only the site is 'copyright'.
I don't know if you're  computer competent - I'm not - but Mak SV1BSX is ... though whether he has time to create a dedicated site ... or whether you want to do it ... I don't know ... so I'll throw the ball up into the air and see if anyone else is interested in creating a site where the data is "controllable" - and therefore valid and correct.
The great advantage of the current AO-7 site is the eclipse charts and the seasonal statistics - though these are now becoming misleading due to the accumulative errors.
Anybody want to stick their hand up?.
BTW ... I've been in direct contact with Alex of Amsat.ru for quite 
some time now so I'm indebted to you for the introduction.
In fact, GM1SXX and myself have proposed a common project.
73 John.   la2qaa@amsat.org
To: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com
From: rw3xl@yandex.ru
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:30:27 +0000
Subject: [eu-amsat] Re: Good ideas for the AO-7 log.
John, copyright about what??
Records which were made by me, they mine? And records which has made
LA2QAA, they whose? :) I think, that with copyright problems cannot be
basically.
I'm try to import log data from ao7 site and for a less then hour have
2006-2008 years in CSV-format.
It is not complex. But I had a second question. It is necessary for
whom else, except for LA2QAA and RW3XL :)
--- In eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com, John Hackett <archie.hackett@...> wrote:
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Igor,
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    A good idea but I'm not sure about eventual copyright issues.

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I am the 'official' administrator of the AO-7 Resource Page Log but
the problem is - I cannot do anything without N1DID's -
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(ex: W0EEC) - permission since she (exclusively) holds the original
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The whole problem stems from the fact that N1DID "disappeared" into
SECOND LIFE and doesn't answer her mail.
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My editing privilages which were normally renewed every 1st January
with a cookie - have been suspended due to the lack of contact with
N1DID so there's nothing I can do to edit the mistakes like I used to.
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A pity, but such is the situation.
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73 John.   <la2qaa@...>
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:36:19 +0000
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Subject: [eu-amsat] Re: Good ideas for the AO-7 log.
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        Hello!

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I have such offer.
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Can be copy all data in new base and place it on other site?
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Probably, that any part of data will be gone. But I think, that not
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A question in the one who will write the program for work with this
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I could find a place with a suitable name (for example oscar7.net,
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oscar7.org) and which support MYSQL and PHP4/5 :)
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In this case becomes possible:
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To find the new Administrator who will have full access to a site.
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Count QSO/Points or any other position in the log, like we need (As
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we shall explain to the Administrator), e.t.c.
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It is necessary to do it on a noncommercial basis. I, for example,
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--- In eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com, John Hackett <archie.hackett@>
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Alan,
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    A timely and intelligent mail - nice! one.

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I played at super dooper pooper scooper - (log cop) - for a couple
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of years but it was as you correctly percieved taking up too much of
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my time.
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I wused to be Emily's page administrator but since she disappeared
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(read: e-mails) - I've lost contact with her.
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I do wish she'd pop her head out with a quick - "What's up Doc?".
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I'm now involved in other aspects of the Grand Old Lady ... AO-7,
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not N1DID.
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73 John.   <la2qaa@>
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To: la2qaa@; sv1bsx@
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CC: amsat-bb@; eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: RE: [amsat-bb]  More AO-7 log.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:01:17 -0600
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Regrettably, there seems to be only a few ways of "Ham -
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Proofing " the
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logging system.
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One would be to add some logic to the code for the form entry to
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prevent
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submitting unless at least one of the QSO entries are completed.
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This may
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require diving into the rabbit hole to rescue Emily from her
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Second Life and
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nicely asking her to tweak the code.  However, it would not
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prevent entrants
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from adding dummy info just to get a count.
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Another would be having a super user act as "log-cop" and zap bad
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That may be perceived as badly as a "grammar cop" or "spelling
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cop" on this
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BB, and, who would want to waste that amount of time each day
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cleaning up
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other's messes. But it could be mitigated if a warning line was
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added to the
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top of the table.  "Invalid entries and empty QSOs will be
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deleted"
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Another that comes to mind would probably involve Emily and may
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the easiest.  The entire database could be conditioned
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occasionally.  Again
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a super user could execute a single line SQL statement that
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purges all
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entries where the QSO is blank or includes text such as "CQ".
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DELETE FROM
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table_name WHERE column_name = some_value. I'm ignorant of the db
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used here
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but hesitantly *assume* in might me MySQL or something similar.
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The SQL statement could even be automated in a chron process and
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executed
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automatically each day.
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Or, folks could just use common sense and read the second
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top of the log - "IF YOU HAVE A CONTACT TO REPORT...."   Oh, we
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-----Original Message-----
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From: amsat-bb-bounces@ [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@] On
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Behalf Of John Hackett
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Sent: March 4, 2008 2:17 AM
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Cc: amsat-bb@; Eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [amsat-bb] More AO-7 log.
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Mak,
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   Despite our repeated requests ... yesterday ...

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W7AIT 15:49
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W7AIT 15:50 ... (seperate QSO's)
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PY4AJ CQ
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VK4ZQ CQ
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Like I mentioned ... don't these people 'look' at what they
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write? ... or
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note how those that fill in the log correctly do it? ... or even
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read the
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Amsat mail?.
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What can one do?.
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Statistics are no use to man nor beast if they're incorrect - and
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over the
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first 3 months of this year there are enough errors to ensure
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statistics *ARE* wrong ... agreed, they're only small mistakes
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and agreed
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that - "it's only a hobby" - but what is the point in filling in
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the log in
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the first place if you're not going to do it correctly?.
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Having pointed out the errors once, twice and three times on both
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bulletin
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boards in the last 14 days I assumed that ought to be enough -
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obviously it
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wasn't ... so I don't know about you but I'm not going to bother
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anymore.
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Since the main "contenders" are English speaking one cannot blame
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language. The panes are clear enough and cannot be misconscrued.
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The hour
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glass is self explanitory - you yourself have explained more than
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to fix things if they do occasionally go amok - (data is "data") -
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referring to the - 'remember me' - checkbox issue.
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It's a pity such a useful resource is allowed to become a mess.
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EOR ... (End of rant).
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73 John.   <la2qaa@>
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