I own a Kenwood TS-2000 and that is my main satellite rig. The birdie will affect any radio near the TS-2000 on 436.795 ( I have tried that ) so for me using a totally different radio is the best way to work SO-50. In my case I use a Yaesu FT-5200, I paid $100 for it and it's a great FM fullduplex mobile radio, I also have the Icom IC-w32a but I prefer to use the FT-5200.
Those are my two cents on the TS-2000 birdie issue.
73
Nestor K6JTT DM33XL
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1. Re: TS2000 Birdie 436.795 (John Geiger) 2. Re: TS2000 Birdie 436.795 (Robert Bruninga) 3. AO-7 Mode A (Tom Schuessler) 4. Wanted : Pre Amp for ICOM 910 H (vk4tec@tech-software.net) 5. ForSale: ICOM910H Mint Condition Manuals , Triplexor, CIV interface Desk Mic (vk4tec@tech-software.net) 6. Re: AO-7 Mode A (Paul Stoetzer) 7. Re: AO-7 Mode A (Paul Stoetzer) 8. Re: Fw: TS2000 Birdie 436.795 (Ted) 9. Re: FalconSat-3 sig level to decode (Andrew Rich) 10. Re: FalconSat-3 with USB Signalink (Rick Kowalewski) 11. WSJT-X FT8 QSO confirmed between W2JAZ and W5RKN on FO-29 (Ronald G. Parsons) 12. Re: Ku Satelilte Band? (Mac A. Cody) 13. Colloquium Webstream starting 9:30 BST 0830 GMT (M5AKA) 14. Successfull "WiSP SoundModem and HW_VSP3 (Mineo Wakita) 15. Successfull "WiSP SoundModem and HW_VSP3 (Mineo Wakita)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:16:52 -0500 From: John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Cc: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org, radiomb radiomb@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] TS2000 Birdie 436.795 Message-ID: CAHC1P28_EiTMynSsae0FYGc0+L1Z=CSVAAbbyc-cnbKfVUjYdA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
The cheapest way to work SO50 with the TS2000 is to get a $25 Baofeng, and a coax switch, and use the Baofeng for receive on SO50 passes. That is what I have been doing.
73 John AF5CC
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Mike,
I don't have a TS-2k, but it does have a separate RX input. At least one person mentioned using it with a separate RX converter on SO-50 which gets around the internal birdie. Probably not a cost effective solution unless you happen to have one laying around.
As for a new Kenwood, I have been asking them that for years, literally. The answer in the past has always been that it is under active consideration. Real Soon Now.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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TNX
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:19:33 -0400 From: Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org, radiomb radiomb@bellsouth.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] TS2000 Birdie 436.795 Message-ID: c1457be0c57f84d540a542ceff53909e@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
It's a birdie on all of the 2000's I think... But that is an FM bird, so I just listen to that downlink on a different FM mobile radio Bob
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Mike,
I don't have a TS-2k, but it does have a separate RX input. At least one person mentioned using it with a separate RX converter on SO-50 which gets around the internal birdie. Probably not a cost effective solution unless you happen to have one laying around.
As for a new Kenwood, I have been asking them that for years, literally. The answer in the past has always been that it is under active consideration. Real Soon Now.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:43:30 -0500 From: "Tom Schuessler" tjschuessler@verizon.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode A Message-ID: 004101d3446c$5001ac40$f00504c0$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I understood that AO-7 is for the moment still in complete sunlight and as such, should be switching back and forth between Mode A/B every 24 hours or so.. Looking though at the amsat.org Satellite Status page, I see no evidence of this. If it is changing, does anyone know when UTC that is happening?
Tom Schuessler N5HYP
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:51:33 +1000 From: vk4tec@tech-software.net To: "AMSAT" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Wanted : Pre Amp for ICOM 910 H Message-ID: 12a701d343d6$91b13b10$b513b130$@tech-software.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello
Dunno unless you ask
Does anyone have either 2m or 70 cm preamp for ICOM 910H for sale ?
Before I make my own
Andrew
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:48:02 +1000 From: vk4tec@tech-software.net To: "AMSAT" amsat-bb@amsat.org, "'Australian APRS Users'" ozaprs@aprs.net.au Subject: [amsat-bb] ForSale: ICOM910H Mint Condition Manuals , Triplexor, CIV interface Desk Mic Message-ID: 004301d343de$76024fa0$6206eee0$@tech-software.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/-/182826587801?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
Mint condition ICOM 910H
Standard Mic and Desk Mic
Manuals ( service as well )
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Andrew VK4TEC
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 22:24:03 +0000 From: Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net To: Tom Schuessler tjschuessler@verizon.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode A Message-ID: CABzOSOpZoXmLZGARZbNt3X9zEFSH8o8hUrWA53qSQvnX_anqOg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Oct 15 - Nov 21 is the period of constant sunlight.
Look for it to switch to Mode A some time on Oct 16th.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 17:44 Tom Schuessler tjschuessler@verizon.net wrote:
I understood that AO-7 is for the moment still in complete sunlight and as such, should be switching back and forth between Mode A/B every 24 hours
or
so.. Looking though at the amsat.org Satellite Status page, I see no evidence of this. If it is changing, does anyone know when UTC that is happening?
Tom Schuessler N5HYP
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Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:59:30 -0400 From: Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net To: Tom Schuessler tjschuessler@verizon.net, "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode A Message-ID: CABzOSOpTKDAYjt0UkwX-ifWfjZRxC9=a7Tcy=D_wJ1wEO2kdfg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Just got home and ran Illum. The last eclipse will be at 0211 UTC on October 14th. Assuming there are no other periods of partial eclipse that cause it to lose power (a distinct possibility), the 24 hour timer would switch it to Mode A at 0211 UTC on October 15th.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Oct 15 - Nov 21 is the period of constant sunlight.
Look for it to switch to Mode A some time on Oct 16th.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 17:44 Tom Schuessler tjschuessler@verizon.net wrote:
I understood that AO-7 is for the moment still in complete sunlight and
as
such, should be switching back and forth between Mode A/B every 24 hours or so.. Looking though at the amsat.org Satellite Status page, I see no evidence of this. If it is changing, does anyone know when UTC that is happening?
Tom Schuessler N5HYP
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Message: 8 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:57:19 -0700 From: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net To: "'radiomb'" radiomb@bellsouth.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Fw: TS2000 Birdie 436.795 Message-ID: 004801d3447f$016f40c0$044dc240$@charter.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
See the manual, page 103.
73, Ted K7TRK
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Guess if this is a real birdie (internal beat frequency) I am up the creek. If in the radio design cannot be changed. I heard Kenwood might be releasing a new satellite rig at Dayton next year. Any rumors out there? So think I answered my question and the TS-2000 cannot be used for SO-50 TNX AGN 73 Mike K4MIA
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Message: 9 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:48:54 +1000 From: Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net To: Ken Swaggart k.swaggart@charter.net Cc: AMSAT -BB amsat-bb@amsat.org, Australian APRS Users ozaprs@aprs.net.au Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FalconSat-3 sig level to decode Message-ID: 6AB5F7A2-6041-4D55-99B8-71E8D6556196@tech-software.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Ken
Could you give me a hand
I have falconsat3 packets coming in on sdr#
I am using soundmodem but then the packets don't go anywhere
Can you help me get direwolf running on windows so I can pass them to the aprs-is
I am trying ui-view but I don't think it know what to do with the packets
Still looking for a good sdr# doppler solution
I have a few things up my sleeve yet
Andrew
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On 13 Oct 2017, at 8:17 am, Ken Swaggart k.swaggart@charter.net wrote:
I'm using the AirSpy (not mini) with SDR#. Doppler tuning with homebrew software. Haven't noticed lost packets when the SDR freq changes, but will be on the lookout for that.
The audio loopback is Virtual Audio Cable.
SSB Preamp
Rotator is a G5500 and LVB Tracker controlled by my homebrew software. (I really like the LVB Tracker!)
Sound modem is Dire Wolf which feeds APRS-IS. At the present time I'm
just
watching the packets scroll by on the Dire Wolf display. My main goal was
to
Igate the FalconSat-3 packets.
73, Ken, W7KKE
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Hi Ken
I thought you might have good antenna
Hey
So your on windows
- AirSpy Mini
- SDR#
- What audio loop back
- Preamps
- Rotator - from what program
- What Sound modem ?
- What APRS / TNC style program
- Andrew -
On 13 Oct 2017, at 4:12 am, Ken Swaggart k.swaggart@charter.net wrote:
On this morning's FalconSat-3 pass, I checked the signal required to decode using Dire Wolf. It was 18 dB SNR, so that's roughly S3 +/- above the noise floor.
RX setup: AirSpy SDR, SDRsharp, mast-mounted preamp, 15 X 15 X Yagi,
G5500.
73, Ken, W7KKE
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Message: 10 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:48:00 +0800 From: Rick Kowalewski rick@vk6xlr.net To: Australian APRS Users ozaprs@aprs.net.au Cc: 'AMSAT -BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FalconSat-3 with USB Signalink Message-ID: 2fbe5899-297b-aabf-7077-01e810f36955@vk6xlr.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Just to prove it can be done.? Falconsat-3 9600 with USB Signalink.
A sample of the packets received last night.
1:Fm PCTRL-8 To PCTRL-8 <UI R Pid=F0 Len=33> [20:20:11R] [AA] [+-++---] CTRL: mode=9 torq0 elog=1 alog=0
1:Fm PFS3-1 To TLMC-1 <UI R Pid=F0 Len=4> [20:20:16R] [AA] [+++++++] CL:0 1:Fm PFS3-1 To BCR-1 <UI R Pid=F0 Len=70> [20:20:16R] [AN] [-------] BCR:bv=1278 bi=226 sens=1376 top=1278 low=0 t1=546 t2=1093 sv=100 si=9 1:Fm PFS3-11 To PBLIST <UI R Pid=F0 Len=11> [20:20:20R] [AA] [+--+---] PB: Empty.
1:Fm PFS3-11 To PBLIST <UI R Pid=F0 Len=11> [20:20:26R] [AA] [+--+---] PB: Empty.
1:Fm PFS3-11 To PBLIST <UI R Pid=F0 Len=11> [20:20:32R] [AA] [-------] PB: Empty.
1:Fm PFS3-1 To LSTAT <UI R Pid=F0 Len=46> [20:20:36R] [NN] [----+--] I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:26062 f:26092, d:1 st:6 e:d2
1:Fm PFS3-11 To PBLIST <UI R Pid=F0 Len=11> [20:20:44R] [AN] [-------] PB: Empty.
1:Fm PFS3-11 To STATUS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=11> [20:20:44R] [AA] [+--++--] B: 8560907
1:Fm PFS3-1 To TIME-1 <UI R Pid=F0 Len=64> [20:20:55R] [AA] [-------] PHT: uptime is 714/07:13:54.? Time is Fri Oct 13 12:22:23 2017
73, Rick VK6RK
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Message: 11 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 22:15:43 -0500 From: "Ronald G. Parsons" w5rkn@w5rkn.com To: "AMSAT-BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Cc: Richard Lawn rjlawn@gmail.com, Dave Beumer W?DHB dave@w0dhb.net, Roy Walker rwalke@swbell.net Subject: [amsat-bb] WSJT-X FT8 QSO confirmed between W2JAZ and W5RKN on FO-29 Message-ID: 3A7D06C991F8410CA7ED4E16DA055DD0@Ron8300PC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
A few days ago, Rick, W2JAZ, asked me if the new, short, weak signal protocol, FT8, could be used on satellites. I posited it might work near AOS or LOS where the Doppler corrections are small. FT8 is operationally similar to the older protocols but four times faster (15-second T/R sequences) and less sensitive by a few dB.
So we set out to configure our satellite stations to use WSJT-X with FT8. With some configuration advice from W0DHB, we each got our systems configured. Mine (W5RKN) is a Flex-6500 with two DEMI transverters running SmartSDR, SatPC32, FlexSATPC, and WSJT-X. Rick?s (W2JAZ) is a Flex-5000 with U/V module, running PowerSDR, SatPC32, FlexSATPC, and WSJT-X.
After a couple runs on AO-7 without success, we tried again tonight on the 0220Z (14 Oct) pass of FO-29. I started out at my AOS calling CQ W5RKN EM10. After several transmissions without success, the reply W5RKN W2JAZ FN29 popped up on the screen. Then followed the usual signal report, RRR and 73 transmissions.
As soon as I can figure out the appropriate fields for LoTW, we?ll log the QSO there.
I am not aware of other WSJT-X QSOs on the satellites, so I?d be interested in other?s experiences,
Ron and Rick
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 23:07:57 -0500 From: "Mac A. Cody" maccody@att.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ku Satelilte Band? Message-ID: d085ae9e-1ed8-3478-35a0-a0008b0cdf6b@att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Bob,
Perhaps you could use it for moon bounce. You could at least listen to the DL0SHF 10 GHz EME beacon (http://www.pa0ehg.com/dl0shf_beacon.htm). It has been demonstrated to be doable with an RTLSDR dongle and and LNB: https://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-10-ghz-reflected-moon-beacon-rtl-sdr/ I hope to do something similar in the future, but I'm currently too busy and having too much fun with the LEO satellites.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 10/13/2017 10:00 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
I have an old 1m dish and get wall-to-wall signals on a spectrum analyzer scanning the Geo arc.
Is there anything at all that anyone can do with any signals of interest without having special decoder rings for each one?
Experiments?
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Message: 13 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:07:42 +0000 (UTC) From: M5AKA m5aka@yahoo.co.uk To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Colloquium Webstream starting 9:30 BST 0830 GMT Message-ID: 12942911.2557581.1507968462969@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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Message: 14 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 10:49:42 +0900 From: "Mineo Wakita" ei7m-wkt@asahi-net.or.jp To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Successfull "WiSP SoundModem and HW_VSP3 Message-ID: 59EDFFA1413343BA8B486149E5783402@je9pel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp"
Hello,
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/wispvsp3.htm
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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Message: 15 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 12:11:55 +0900 From: "Mineo Wakita" ei7m-wkt@asahi-net.or.jp To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Successfull "WiSP SoundModem and HW_VSP3 Message-ID: CBA3C220DEBF481EAD5477A36A1980FB@je9pel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp"
Hello,
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/wispvsp3.htm
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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