Re: [amsat-bb] Mr David Swanson.....

13 Jul 2020

      Hey Stefan,
All of your annoying, and arrogant, and condescending comments on here over
the past few years are an embarrassment to the AMSAT community.
STOP IT!
Warm Regards,
Tucker
W4FS
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 8:13 PM Stefan Wagener via AMSAT-BB <
[email protected]> wrote:
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Mr David Swanson,
Your vicious, sarcastic, and personal attacks against a duly elected board
member and more importantly another human being are totally uncalled
for and a total embarrassment to yourself.
STOP IT!
Stefan VE4SW
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
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It's always fun to remind folks tripping over their own feat lying that
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internet is forever. From a Bruce Perens Tweet on July 13, 2020:
"Please see my letter on the web, or the paper copy I've mailed to
everyone
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one of you".
Of course the original tweet was deleted, but the wayback machine never
forgets. Don't Believe me? http://druidnetworks.com/2020-07-13.png
If you still think the membership list wasn't compromised, I just heard
Director Thompson will be auctioning off their ocean front property in
Arizona to all the members this year to raise funds for their microwave,
digital only, strictly open source crowd funded, vegan, social justice
aware cubesat launch to Proxima Centauri. Of course this launch will only
come after 10 years of ground station development, but fueled with enough
hopes, dreams and promises it will become a reality!
For the rest of us who actually want to keep amateur radio in (real)
space
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and are disgusted at the violations of privacy that occured by 3rd
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working to get Director Thompson and Director Stoddard elected, well, you
should know what to do.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM Michelle Thompson <
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No database went anywhere except to candidates. This is allowed in the
bylaws.
Then, an automated bulk mail printing server was used. I recommended
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company to Brennan Price for this year's mailing. Good service,
inexpensive.
Return addresses don't magically transfer information.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 04:32 David Swanson [email protected]
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Spin Spin Spin. The simple truth here is Director Thompson took the
AMSAT
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member database, and handed it over to a 3rd party competing entity
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purpose of solicitation. I know I did not give ORI my home address,
yet
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ORI
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sent me a letter. This was a violation of my privacy, and for AMSAT
members living in the EU, this was a violation of the law. Any attempt
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explain this away is just more lies and deceit from Director Thompson
about
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the shady practices they have engaged in over the past few years. As I
keep
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saying, this isn't a one time thing, this is a pattern of
reprehensible behavior that is unbecoming of an elected position and
this
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community. Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should resign.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:33 AM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
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Yes, I can.
That part of Clayton's letter is wrong and has been repeatedly
clarified
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before. Including at the 2019 annual board meeting, where Tom Clark
asked
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me about it, as part of the record.
Clayton Coleman was secretary in 2019.
He ran the election.
He decided that candidate statements were limited in length to 350
words,
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would be subject to editorial control by AMSAT, and could not include
links. These new rules were given to us right before the 4th of July
holiday with a deadline of the 7th.
This is different than any election before, where statements went
directly
to the printer from the candidate, were not limited in length, and no
one
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from AMSAT leadership (who might be running for reelection
themselves)
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had
any control over the content of their challengers' statements.
We got these rules right before ballots went out. We (four
challengers)
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already had normal-sized statements on the web and they had been up
six
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weeks at that point. Those were the ones we wanted to use, and link
to.
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We knew that as candidates, we had the right to request the mailing
list,
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and send our own statements, independent of the ballot.
I requested the address list and got the DBASE4 export.
Bruce Perens had already written a letter of support and distributed
it
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widely on the web. It introduced us and included our four full bios
and
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statements.
I asked Bruce if we could use his letter in the mailing. He said yes.
Since
he was President of Open Research Institute at the time, he wanted
the
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return address to not be his private home address, but a business
address.
That was ORI's address. He was the author of the endorsement, so I
used
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his
preferred return address.
I converted the DBASE4 to a more useful format, fixed the 50 or so
undeliverable addresses, and found an inexpensive printer. Then I
sent
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the
letter from Bruce to the printer, with the bios and statements.
That turned out to be a good thing. Bios and statements were not
included
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with the ballots mailed out, at all.
If we had not sent the letter, then name recognition would be the
primary
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factor. We were running against well-known people.
We complained about this. It was unusual departure from the past and
seemed
set up to let leadership benefit from being incumbents.
The original proposal from Clayton was for an electronic only ballot.
Patrick said that the bylaws were a bit clunky here and it did need
to
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be
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mailed out on paper. Paper was required.
This is a big reason why I made a motion at our one  board meeting,
in
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March, for a bylaws committee.
This bylaw isn't hard to fix. There's lots of examples out there of
organizations doing electronic voting with working published bylaws.
Bruce made it very clear, when the incumbents stirred up the pot
about
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the
return address, that it was an endorsement from him, this was
commonly
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done
in political campaigns, and it would be grossly improper for me to
use
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AMSATs return address because that would make it look like Bruce was
speaking for or was from AMSAT. That was not going to happen. *That*
would
be improper.
No one candidate wanted their personal address used as a return
address.
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We
were mailing this as a slate and splitting the cost. We didn't have
time
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or
funds to make an organization or rent a box for one letter on short
notice.
The printer required a real return address.
No one had the address list except the candidates. Namely me because
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contracted the printer and handled the DBASE4 address conversion.
That
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is a
neat story in and of itself,, for another time.
Bruce only sent the text to me and chipped in some money for postage.
The printing was automated in Van Nuys, CA.
All of this is known to Clayton Coleman and his friends on the board
that
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signed the statement from this week. It has been explained by Bruce
publicly, and by me several times on social media. Tom Clark brought
it
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up
at the 2019 annual board meeting because of the return address
pot-stirring. I explained it there too. Like I said, it's on the
record.
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I think insinuating the addresses were mishandled is a deliberate
twisting
of honest efforts to scramble to get uncensored candidate statements
out
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to
voters on short notice. We just didn't have a lot of time, and Bruce
was
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very generous in writing a cover letter.
Again, candidates are allowed the use of the mailing lists for
election
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purposes.
So, no, there was no breach. Clayton knows all this.
Saying it the way he did is a cheap shot at me, Patrick, Bruce
Perens,
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and
ORI.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:11 Kevin via AMSAT-BB [email protected]
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Hello All,
In a previous email to the BB I posted the link to the letter we
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received as members.
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20200710_AMSAT_Le...
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I was re-reading it and something caught my eye that I had missed
before.
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"AMSAT did not provide a copy of its membership mailing addresses
to
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Open Research Institute."
Just how was our mailing list compromised? This seems like a

serious
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breech of security, was this a hack? was any other information
lost?
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was it ever found out how it happened? is our mailing list as they
say
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"out in the wind"?
Michelle could you possibly check from the ORI side and backtrack
how
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ORI came into possession of the AMSAT mailing list, was it
something
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that was procured online?
AMSAT needs to follow up on this privacy issue and report back what
it
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found and any steps that were taken to prevent this from happening
in
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the future.
I look forward to an answer
73 Kevin WA7FWF #19623

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Re: [amsat-bb] Mr David Swanson.....

Tucker McGuire