Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?

6 Aug 2020


      Joseph,
This is either ad-hominem or just incomprehensible. I know you are capable
of presenting credible arguments. Please endeavor to do so.
Thanks
Bruce
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:59 PM Joseph Armbruster josepharmbruster@gmail.com
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John,
I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm
asking to go away :-)
ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
Cheers,
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
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"wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing ORI"
At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
waters around any reasonable points you have.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
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Bruce,
All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative that
you
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and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the organization,
for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD.  I can only
assume, with the intention of growing ORI?  I mean, you did say they got
three amateur radio in space grants, right?  Why weren't those pursued
through AMSAT?  What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is quite
sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent.  There are many of us
members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop, go
away and maybe work harder at growing ORI.  This action would directly
help
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preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort and
energy more productively.  Think of the problems you could solve if you
were just not being held back..?  I know engineers personally that
helped
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developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
*involved
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AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless
years
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of their lives building kit for AMSAT.  I saw it and it's some amazing,
amazing, amazing hardware.  I speak per my observations of these
individuals, not for them.  Every volunteer organization gains and
looses
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members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life,
state of
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the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a reflection of
the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
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It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
themselves
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publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it an
AMSAT
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issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue
that,
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and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made
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weeks ago.
In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
course
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that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
membership
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and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
appropriate within the context of an election.
Thanks

Bruce


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
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I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must be
handled
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very carefully.
For that same reason I think two separate legally established
entities
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must
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discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release.
Probably
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both AMSAT
and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of
Understanding
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establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now on.
Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business safeguard
friendships)
73
Fernando KF7R
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
mountain.michelle@gmail.com>
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Frank sums up the problems very well.
An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could lose
opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about this
and
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other
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problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
happened.
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We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
I am optimistic things can and will improve.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
calling
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for
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> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
ARISS-USA
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> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
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> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying to
drag
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> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
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> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
ARISS,
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> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to
sign
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> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS
name.
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> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS.  The
functional
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> change is that ARISS is assuming  for itself some of the tasks
that
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AMSAT
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> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for this
donated
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> support!)  The good working relationship that ARISS has had with
AMSAT
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over
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> the years is NOT changing.  For more information, read the press
release on
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> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org
(6th
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> article down).
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> One item I will remind all of you:  Getting into space is HARD.
> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space
mission
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> success.  Infighting and back biting are a recipe for disaster in
> organizations and especially in space.  If you all continue these
> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space
missions
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of
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> the future.  Space agencies and space corporations only want to
work
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with
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> folks that are dedicated to mission success.  I ask all to get
over
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your
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> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see
AMSAT
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lose
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> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
decades to
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> 73,  Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) amsat-bb@wd9ewk.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
> To: Fernando Ramirez framirezferrer@gmail.com; AMSAT <
> amsat-bb@amsat.org>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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> Fernando,
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> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and there
should
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> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end of
March.
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> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending on
legal
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> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the letter
AMSAT
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> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
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> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
mid-March, I
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> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary
control
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> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert has
not
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> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it
appears
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AMSAT
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> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
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> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
calling
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for
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a
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> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
ARISS-USA
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> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his
notes
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> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and
review them
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with
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> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
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> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the other
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> directors - including the two running for reelection this summer


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have
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> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings, but
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chosen
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> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other
issues,
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> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
available
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to
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> AMSAT members.
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> Thank you.
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> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
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