John,

I strongly agree. Good examples will help greatly.

But, when there is an audience learning about SAT operation
for the first time and can hardly contain themselves to go
out and get the gear and get in on the fun, that is the PRIME
time to instill in them how to properly operate. There is so
much fresh meat there and it needs to be cooked right.

However these newbies are being taught these days just doesn't
appear to be taking hold. Maybe if they can think of the FM SATs
as being just like the FM Repeater down the street where you
must wait for the "BEEP" before you transmit, that could help. Too
bad we never got into the mode of saying "over". That could have
helped, but it's too late now.

There are quite a few SAT users that avoid using the FM SATs 
because of the amount of chaos and mayhem that results from poor
operating procedures. That is very sad. At this point, the key seems
to be education on proper procedures and a strong dose of good
examples by our seasoned operators.

TNX/73,   Bob  K8BL

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 06:50:38 PM EDT, John Brier <johnbrier@gmail.com> wrote:

People mimic each other. I think some people started not letting others finish QSOs and more and more people started doing it.

If ops with strong signals could make regular contacts on busy passes demonstrating ideal practices it would go a long way to helping the problem.

That would kind of imply people making duplicate contacts over time, though. It might be worth it though if it made everyone operate a little better.

73, John Brier KG4AKV

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 5:15 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) <k8bl@ameritech.net> wrote:
Tucker,

I agree. That can get to be very tiresome to hear every day. There is
such a short window on some passes and it can prevent new contacts
from being made.

As far as the chaos and mayhem is concerned, perhaps some actual
recordings can be used as examples of good operating procedures and
poor ones. That seems like something easy to do and quite helpful to
illustrate good versus not so good.

TNX/73,   Bob  K8BL

On Monday, July 26, 2021, 04:56:35 PM EDT, KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@gmail.com> wrote:

Also teach them... No need to work the same person everyday, every pass on FM... sure you wanna do the on SSB birds, enjoy your ragchew. But the ops who seem to find it necessary to make the SAME QSO EVERY DAY on FM need to move on....

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:06 PM Bob Liddy (K8BL) <k8bl@ameritech.net> wrote:
Please stress the proper operating procedures when using a single channel
  Satellite so the existing chaos and mayhem can eventually be abated. One
  of the biggest problems is that many Stations are not allowing an existing
  QSO to finish before transmitting on top of it. This causes repeats which
  uses up the short time the Satellite is available for other Stations.

TNX,   Bob  K8BL

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