Steve,
The preamp is working fine. The earth is at 290 degrees Kelvin. Unless the antenna sees only cold sky and no earth, trees & buildings you will have 3dB of noise going into your preamp. If your radio has a 1 dB noise figure and your preamp has a 1 dB noise figure no improvement of S/N is noticed only the level has changed by the gain of the preamp. Preamps only help to cover cable loss and poor receiver sensitivity. Low noise figures ( less than 3 dB) are only achieved when the antenna is pointed into space and has a good front to back ratio. Frequencies below 70 cm are subject to galaixy noise that becomes larger as frequency goes lower. expect a 3-4 dB increase at 2M, no noise reduction from cold sky @ 2 M and longer wave lengths.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R. Cole" al7eb@acsalaska.net To: "Steve Raas" sraas@optonline.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Pre amp question
At 09:30 PM 12/12/2006 -0500, Steve Raas wrote:
As I prepare for getting on the birds.. I decided to test out this AG-25 preamp that came with my new radio. Now my experience with preamps is limited, but this one is rather baffling me.
I connected everything in line.. and powered up the preamp and at 1st glance it appeared that it worked fine, however after about 10 seconds I started questioning a few things.
#1 My noise floor went up 10db ( I've never seen this before I guess my experience with preamps is just the good ones )
#2 My Received signal quality was unchanged all it did was make the signal 'appear' stronger on the meter.
Now I know if the preamp was dead.. I would hear nothing.. so I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that its either:
a) an incredibly broad band pre-amp with a completely fictitious ' Low noise floor ' claim or
b) Detuned
I guess what Im going after is a few things with this email .. has any one ever taken one of these AG-25's and given it a proper tuning? Or is this what I should expect with this particular item?
In my previous experience (terrestrial weak sig stuff) a decent preamp may up the noise floor from a s-meter reading of mabey 0 or 1 to a s5, but with a significant increase in received signal gain. and intelligibility.
Steve,
My guess is that the stock ICOM preamp is not especially low-noise. Typically, they are more like 1.5 to 3 dB NF and that would give the results you see...more gain but little quieting.
Years ago I ran a nuvistor preamp (3-dB NF with 15-dB gain) and all it mainly did was add gain (made signals louder including the noise).
Now if you have the preamp installed in the shack next to the radio with lots of coax up to the antenna, you will get less low-noise performance (even if it is a good low noise amplifier).
Finally, have you checked receiving weak signals? Testing with strong signals will not show much difference other than higher s-meter reading. 73's, Ed - KL7UW ========================================= BP40iq, Nikiski, AK http://www.qsl.net/al7eb Amsat #3212 Modes: V - U - L - S USA Rep. for Dubus Magazine: dubususa@hotmail.com =========================================
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