i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ? were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ? what was the urgency ? not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
Robert, yes & Yes.
Rick K7TEJ
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From: Robert Coppock Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 17:07 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] firefly rocket #1
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ? were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ? what was the urgency ? not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
Robert,
First, these were cubesats and pocketsats, not big expensive commercial communication satellites. There was one that was once built for $50. Have you priced a ride to space for a satellite? We will happily build and throw away a few satellites as a necessary risk to get that ride for free or cheap.
Thanks
Bruce
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:09 PM Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net wrote:
Robert, yes & Yes.
Rick K7TEJ
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From: Robert Coppock Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 17:07 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] firefly rocket #1
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ?
were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ?
what was the urgency ?
not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
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ok thank you very much. i see firefly has a plan to drop a lunar lander via falcon-9 in 2023. i assume it will be unmanned and remote control, not sure.
The third try wasn't the charm for Astrahttps://www.space.com/astra-launch-success-ready-for-satellite-spaceflight.
The California Bay Area startup attempted its third orbital test flight today (Aug. 28), sending its two-stage Launch Vehicle 0006 skyward from the Pacific Spaceport Complex on Alaska's Kodiak Island at 6:35 p.m. EDT (2235 GMT). The rockethttps://www.space.com/29295-rocket-history.html suffered an anomaly about 2.5 minutes after liftoff, however, and the flight was terminated.
SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon cargo spacecraft broke up shortly after liftoff on June 28. The craft disappeared behind a cloud of smoke and left behind bits of falling debris.(Image credit: NASA TV/Space.com)
An Indian rocket carrying a new Earth-observation satellite for the Indian Space Research Organisationhttps://www.space.com/indian-space-research-organization.html (ISRO) suffered a catastrophic failure shortly after launching early Thursday (Aug. 12) from the country's Satish Dhawan Space Centre on Sriharikota Island in eastern India. The liftoff occurred at 5:43 a.m. local time in India (8:13 p.m. EDT Aug 11/0013 GMT).
i am wondering if those aliens/ufo are shooting these things down now ?
73 and thank you K F o G cm88pk
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 5:17 PM To: Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net Cc: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: firefly rocket #1
Robert,
First, these were cubesats and pocketsats, not big expensive commercial communication satellites. There was one that was once built for $50. Have you priced a ride to space for a satellite? We will happily build and throw away a few satellites as a necessary risk to get that ride for free or cheap.
Thanks
Bruce
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:09 PM Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net wrote:
Robert, yes & Yes.
Rick K7TEJ
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From: Robert Coppock Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 17:07 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] firefly rocket #1
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ?
were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ?
what was the urgency ?
not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
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The SpaceX failure was in 2015.
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 10:57 PM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
ok thank you very much. i see firefly has a plan to drop a lunar lander via falcon-9 in 2023. i assume it will be unmanned and remote control, not sure.
The third try wasn't the charm for *Astra* https://www.space.com/astra-launch-success-ready-for-satellite-spaceflight .
The California Bay Area startup attempted its third orbital test flight today (Aug. 28), sending its two-stage Launch Vehicle 0006 skyward from the Pacific Spaceport Complex on Alaska's Kodiak Island at 6:35 p.m. EDT (2235 GMT). The *rocket* https://www.space.com/29295-rocket-history.html suffered an anomaly about 2.5 minutes after liftoff, however, and the flight was terminated.
SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon cargo spacecraft broke up shortly after liftoff on June 28. The craft disappeared behind a cloud of smoke and left behind bits of falling debris.(Image credit: NASA TV/Space.com)
An Indian rocket carrying a new Earth-observation satellite for the Indian Space Research Organisation https://www.space.com/indian-space-research-organization.html (ISRO) suffered a catastrophic failure shortly after launching early Thursday (Aug. 12) from the country's Satish Dhawan Space Centre on Sriharikota Island in eastern India. The liftoff occurred at 5:43 a.m. local time in India (8:13 p.m. EDT Aug 11/0013 GMT).
i am wondering if those aliens/ufo are shooting these things down now ?
73 and thank you K F o G cm88pk
*From:* Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 5, 2021 5:17 PM *To:* Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net *Cc:* Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org < amsat-bb@amsat.org> *Subject:* Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: firefly rocket #1
Robert,
First, these were cubesats and pocketsats, not big expensive commercial communication satellites. There was one that was once built for $50. Have you priced a ride to space for a satellite? We will happily build and throw away a few satellites as a necessary risk to get that ride for free or cheap.
Thanks BruceOn Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:09 PM Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net wrote:
Robert, yes & Yes.
Rick K7TEJ
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From: Robert Coppock Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 17:07 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] firefly rocket #1
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first
time rocket ?
were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was
rocket #1 ?
what was the urgency ?
not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
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- Board Partner, OSS Capital LLC Venture Capital
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hey Bruce, thank you. best of luck for future rockets and satellites, and thank you for all your work. the same for all of the amsat-na folks that provide work and leadership. thank you. i hope we get some great birds up soon, for all users. FM sats, pacsats, GEO, HEO and the frequencies people can use the gear they have from ao-40 and ao-51 stations too. have a happy and safe weekend. 73 K F o G cm88pk
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 9:02 AM To: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net Cc: Richard Tejera saguaroastro@cox.net; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: firefly rocket #1
The SpaceX failure was in 2015.
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 10:57 PM Robert Coppock <robertinorbit@webtv.netmailto:robertinorbit@webtv.net> wrote: ok thank you very much. i see firefly has a plan to drop a lunar lander via falcon-9 in 2023. i assume it will be unmanned and remote control, not sure.
The third try wasn't the charm for Astrahttps://www.space.com/astra-launch-success-ready-for-satellite-spaceflight.
The California Bay Area startup attempted its third orbital test flight today (Aug. 28), sending its two-stage Launch Vehicle 0006 skyward from the Pacific Spaceport Complex on Alaska's Kodiak Island at 6:35 p.m. EDT (2235 GMT). The rockethttps://www.space.com/29295-rocket-history.html suffered an anomaly about 2.5 minutes after liftoff, however, and the flight was terminated.
SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon cargo spacecraft broke up shortly after liftoff on June 28. The craft disappeared behind a cloud of smoke and left behind bits of falling debris.(Image credit: NASA TV/Space.com)
An Indian rocket carrying a new Earth-observation satellite for the Indian Space Research Organisationhttps://www.space.com/indian-space-research-organization.html (ISRO) suffered a catastrophic failure shortly after launching early Thursday (Aug. 12) from the country's Satish Dhawan Space Centre on Sriharikota Island in eastern India. The liftoff occurred at 5:43 a.m. local time in India (8:13 p.m. EDT Aug 11/0013 GMT).
i am wondering if those aliens/ufo are shooting these things down now ?
73 and thank you K F o G cm88pk
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.commailto:bruce@perens.com> Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 5:17 PM To: Richard Tejera <saguaroastro@cox.netmailto:saguaroastro@cox.net> Cc: Robert Coppock <robertinorbit@webtv.netmailto:robertinorbit@webtv.net>; amsat-bb@amsat.orgmailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <amsat-bb@amsat.orgmailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: firefly rocket #1
Robert,
First, these were cubesats and pocketsats, not big expensive commercial communication satellites. There was one that was once built for $50. Have you priced a ride to space for a satellite? We will happily build and throw away a few satellites as a necessary risk to get that ride for free or cheap.
Thanks
Bruce
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:09 PM Richard Tejera <saguaroastro@cox.netmailto:saguaroastro@cox.net> wrote:
Robert, yes & Yes.
Rick K7TEJ
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From: Robert Coppock Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 17:07 To: amsat-bb@amsat.orgmailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] firefly rocket #1
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ?
were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ?
what was the urgency ?
not trying to ruffle feathers, but this makes no sense.
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On 09/05/2021 17:07, Robert Coppock wrote:
i need to aask why they would put all that payload on an untested first time rocket ? were the customers (free apparently) aware of the fact that it was rocket #1 ? what was the urgency ?
Of course everyone knew it was a first launch attempt for a new rocket. You hit the nail on the head - the price. These days, getting a satellite built is comparatively easy. Getting it launched is the hard AND EXPENSIVE part. Over the years, quite a few amateur satellites have been launched on rockets that were still pre-production - and a few have been lost. You take your chances on a free or very inexpensive launch.
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