Fwd: Dupe contacts on SO-50
I think the issue Tucker raises is more when veteran sat ops try to discuss their DXpedition to Pitcairn on a busy SO-50 pass. I think everyone supports new blood, even when they fumble.
73, Gabe NJ7H
On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:08 PM, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Tucker W4FS,
First, you are far from being a curmudgeon! You'll have to put in many years of crankiness before you can claim that title.
You raise a point that has persisted for quite a while regarding FM Satellites. Experienced operators usually follow the proper protocol/etiquette on the single-channel resource. They rarely chit-chat unless the bird is idle. As with anything else, newbies are learning the ropes.
The FM SATs, as we all know, are where the new folks start out because they are easy due to readily available equipment. These operators are trying to figure everything out at once - the frequencies, the antennas, the PL, the AOS/LOS/AZ/EL, the protocol, etc., etc.
Until they figure all of these things out, the rest of the users are going to have to endure problems of various kinds. It's the utter reality of the situation. However, they are the "new blood" that we need to keep this aspect of the hobby growing.
And, believe it or not, not all SAT Ops are Grid Chasers. Some only care about the thrill of pointing a signal up toward the sky and saying hello to someone via something flying through Space. We have no choice but to co-exist in this environment. It is what it is.
A good primer for new operators can be found on John K8YSE's website at: http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html
All we can do is be good examples for the new/other users. When someone is operating from a rare Grid and we already have it confirmed, stay clear. If the pileup dies down and no one is calling, it's perfectly fine to say a quick hello to let them know they are being heard. During routine passes, if you hear a new Call, it's nice to give them a shout so they get the operating experience.
73 & GL 2 All, Bob K8BL
On Apr 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Tucker McGuire tucker@mcguireland.com wrote:
Hello space bird enthusiasts,
I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same
stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are in the
same grid. Dupe contacts.
This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work new
grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a new guy
that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no issues
with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before but on
busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.
Cheers & 73,
Tucker
W4FS
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You're correct Gabe.
I don't want the new guy to miss out on a QSO because of these dupe contacts on really busy passes. In my original email I said "or perhaps prevented them from working a new guy that hasn't been on the satellites before" I was not just referring to stations on in new rare grids (Not everyone chases grids). I've heard new guys just trying to get that first contact get ignored before.
Cheers & 73, Tucker W4FS
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
I think the issue Tucker raises is more when veteran sat ops try to
discuss their DXpedition to Pitcairn on a busy SO-50 pass. I think everyone supports new blood, even when they fumble.
73, Gabe NJ7H
On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:08 PM, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Tucker W4FS,
First, you are far from being a curmudgeon! You'll have to put in many years of crankiness before you can claim that title.
You raise a point that has persisted for quite a while regarding FM Satellites. Experienced operators usually follow the proper protocol/etiquette on the single-channel resource. They rarely chit-chat unless the bird is idle. As with anything else, newbies are learning the ropes.
The FM SATs, as we all know, are where the new folks start out because they are easy due to readily available equipment. These operators are trying to figure everything out at once - the frequencies, the antennas, the PL, the AOS/LOS/AZ/EL, the protocol, etc., etc.
Until they figure all of these things out, the rest of the users are going to have to endure problems of various kinds. It's the utter reality of the situation. However, they are the "new blood" that we need to keep this aspect of the hobby growing.
And, believe it or not, not all SAT Ops are Grid Chasers. Some only care about the thrill of pointing a signal up toward the sky and saying hello to someone via something flying through Space. We have no choice but to co-exist in this environment. It is what it is.
A good primer for new operators can be found on John K8YSE's website at: http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html
All we can do is be good examples for the new/other users. When someone is operating from a rare Grid and we already have it confirmed, stay
clear. If the
pileup dies down and no one is calling, it's perfectly fine to say a
quick hello
to let them know they are being heard. During routine passes, if you
hear a new
Call, it's nice to give them a shout so they get the operating
experience.
73 & GL 2 All, Bob K8BL
On Apr 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Tucker McGuire tucker@mcguireland.com
wrote:
Hello space bird enthusiasts,
I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same
stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are
in the
same grid. Dupe contacts.
This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work
new
grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a
new guy
that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no
issues
with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before
but on
busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.
Cheers & 73,
Tucker
W4FS
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