... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch? Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice. I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-) Ev, W2EV
On 2019-08-05 17:10, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch? Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice. I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Ev,
The current ITAR interpretation precludes an "open project plan". If you want to contribute, volunteer (https://www.amsat.org/volunteer-for-amsat). However, don't volunteer just to find out what AMSAT is up to; that's not helpful and you can't tell anyone outside of the ITAR group anyway. Wait until the yearly data dump at the Symposium (https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium).
Rather than rehashing that which has been said before, I'd point you toward the AMSAT archives:
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2009-September/date.html
Start reading Bob's message about "ITAR sucks" and then keep reading.
--- Zach N0ZGO
Hi Zach. ITAR has already been shown to be addressable (see amsat.org's page on project status and the Phase 3E bird).
I'm asking if anyone in authority at AMSAT is willing to post a project plan with work breakdown that has some sort of status and contact name for each item; like:"Done", "in progress" and "need help" (more status types are needed...this is just an opening suggestion).
No "non-disclosure" details needed. Just "steps to success" and "status". Then...allow the "resources of the crowd" kick in.
Ev
On Monday, August 5, 2019, 6:21:19 PM EDT, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
On 2019-08-05 17:10, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch? Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that" would be nice. I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Ev,
The current ITAR interpretation precludes an "open project plan". If you want to contribute, volunteer (https://www.amsat.org/volunteer-for-amsat). However, don't volunteer just to find out what AMSAT is up to; that's not helpful and you can't tell anyone outside of the ITAR group anyway. Wait until the yearly data dump at the Symposium (https://www.amsat.org/amsat-symposium).
Rather than rehashing that which has been said before, I'd point you toward the AMSAT archives:
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2009-September/date.html
Start reading Bob's message about "ITAR sucks" and then keep reading.
--- Zach N0ZGO _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Well, Ill take a crack at it. 1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities. 2) Find individuals that can find money
Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making lists of things for other people to do. The only way that progress is made in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who are in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest to take something on. Then support them.
Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to follow that lead. Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to push others into action. The action in a hobby comes from within, unfortunately... Generally speaking that is. There are exceptions. But start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.
Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into that"
would be nice.
The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say "yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would be more practical...
The point being, if you have an idea, then do it. I have found in Ham radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes anywhere. Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see if anyone follows.
... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an idea and bring home the bacon...
Bob, Wb4APR
Greetings, All.
An announcement was made in the AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin 186 (July 6, 2019) that the Board of Directors elected Frank Karnauskas, N1UW as Vice President - Development. That would be me.
In the roughly thirty days I have had this position I have drafted a comprehensive development plan that include grant writing, marketing and public relations. The draft is undergoing review and updates as I go through the process of interviewing Board members and senior officers to ascertain that the plan meets the strategic and tactical goals of the organization. The plan includes the basis for a Youth Initiative that I believe will be critically important in our fund raising efforts. We are surveying likely U.S. government agencies as well as private philanthropic foundations that are likely sources of grant money.
I expect that the initial plan will be ready to share with AMSAT membership for comments and suggestions. Until then, keep the faith.
Cheers, Frank
FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW VICE PRESEIDENT - DEVELOPMENT AMSAT - THE RADIO AMATEUR SATELLITE CORPORATION 1402 SUMMIT SHORES DR. BURNSVILLE, MN 55306 N1UW@GOKARNS.com 612-644-9174
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:45 PM To: amsat bb Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Well, Ill take a crack at it. 1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities. 2) Find individuals that can find money
Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making lists of things for other people to do. The only way that progress is made in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who are in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest to take something on. Then support them.
Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to follow that lead. Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to push others into action. The action in a hobby comes from within, unfortunately... Generally speaking that is. There are exceptions. But start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.
Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into
that" would be nice.
The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say "yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would be more practical...
The point being, if you have an idea, then do it. I have found in Ham radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes anywhere. Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see if anyone follows.
... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an idea and bring home the bacon...
Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
BRILLIANT! Frank, your addition to the team will likely mark a pivotal point for AMSAT. Thank you for your desire to make a difference and here's hoping that you will let us know about areas where enthusiastic supporters can help you, too! Ev, W2EV
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 09:12:23 AM EDT, Frank Karnauskas via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Greetings, All.
An announcement was made in the AMSAT News Service Weekly Bulletin 186 (July 6, 2019) that the Board of Directors elected Frank Karnauskas, N1UW as Vice President - Development. That would be me.
In the roughly thirty days I have had this position I have drafted a comprehensive development plan that include grant writing, marketing and public relations. The draft is undergoing review and updates as I go through the process of interviewing Board members and senior officers to ascertain that the plan meets the strategic and tactical goals of the organization. The plan includes the basis for a Youth Initiative that I believe will be critically important in our fund raising efforts. We are surveying likely U.S. government agencies as well as private philanthropic foundations that are likely sources of grant money.
I expect that the initial plan will be ready to share with AMSAT membership for comments and suggestions. Until then, keep the faith.
Cheers, Frank
FRANK KARNAUSKAS, N1UW VICE PRESEIDENT - DEVELOPMENT AMSAT - THE RADIO AMATEUR SATELLITE CORPORATION 1402 SUMMIT SHORES DR. BURNSVILLE, MN 55306 N1UW@GOKARNS.com 612-644-9174
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:45 PM To: amsat bb Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is there any interest...
I'm unsure how to digest the silence. :-)
Well, Ill take a crack at it. 1) Find individuals that can find launch partnering opportunities. 2) Find individuals that can find money
Nothing happens in any volunteer organization by organizing and making lists of things for other people to do. The only way that progress is made in volunteer organizations is by getting behind those individuals who are in the right place at the right time and with the energy and interest to take something on. Then support them.
Volunteers are motivated when they have somethign of value and can contribute actual progress and then are given support by others to follow that lead. Very little gets accomplished by wasted energy trying to push others into action. The action in a hobby comes from within, unfortunately... Generally speaking that is. There are exceptions. But start with #1 and #2, and the rest will follow.
Even a private note to say, "yes, I think we'll be looking into
that" would be nice.
The more practical note with a better chance of getting done would say "yes, I think that would be a great thing for you to look into" would be more practical...
The point being, if you have an idea, then do it. I have found in Ham radio that just tossing up and idea for others to do never goes anywhere. Better to think of ways to move forward and do it one's self then see if anyone follows.
... in pursuing a more open project plan that would make it easier for those with personal skill, resources or contacts to more directly contribute to a launch?
I'd say the plan is wide open to anyone that can move forward with an idea and bring home the bacon...
Bob, Wb4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Ev Tupis -
Frank Karnauskas -
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Zach Metzinger