A recent post mentioned the need for a preamp. This reminded me of something I want to share with the group.
Station here consists of an FT-817ND and an FT-857D. The 817 is pretty sensitive on UHF, but the 857 is a little lacking in comparison.
I was looking for a preamp online that would help, especially with the 857. I went and ordered a Ramsey PR40. I figured for $15 I couldnt go wrong. Although its not a GaAs device, (its a bipolar), it works pretty well. I actually didnt want a GaAs because I was afraid of blowing the device anyway, being I'm running a homebrew "Arrow style" antenna on a fixed elevation mast, and the 144 MHz leakage getting into the preamp would probably blow the device the first time I keyed.
I am not using any TR switching on the preamp. (I only work the FM birds at this time).
After building the kit, I put it up, worked a pass on AO-27, then goofed and sent 432 TX energy up the line, blew the amp. I ordered replacement transistors from MCM for $.52 each!
Although I cannot measure noise figure, it specs at 1dB, 15 dB gain. I know it makes a HUGE difference on my end. Satellites that were noisy before are now full quieting and armchair copy
I have found this item a very cost effective solution. I wanted to share this experience with the group. I'm just pleased with the preamp and of course, receive no personal gain by recommending this product.
Michael Heim ARS KD0AR
At 08:59 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
A recent post mentioned the need for a preamp. This reminded me of something I want to share with the group.
Station here consists of an FT-817ND and an FT-857D. The 817 is pretty sensitive on UHF, but the 857 is a little lacking in comparison.
I was looking for a preamp online that would help, especially with the 857. I went and ordered a Ramsey PR40. I figured for $15 I couldnt go wrong. Although its not a GaAs device, (its a bipolar), it works pretty well. I actually didnt want a GaAs because I was afraid of blowing the device anyway, being I'm running a homebrew "Arrow style" antenna on a fixed elevation mast, and the 144 MHz leakage getting into the preamp would probably blow the device the first time I keyed.
I am not using any TR switching on the preamp. (I only work the FM birds at this time).
After building the kit, I put it up, worked a pass on AO-27, then goofed and sent 432 TX energy up the line, blew the amp. I ordered replacement transistors from MCM for $.52 each!
Although I cannot measure noise figure, it specs at 1dB, 15 dB gain. I know it makes a HUGE difference on my end. Satellites that were noisy before are now full quieting and armchair copy
I have found this item a very cost effective solution. I wanted to share this experience with the group. I'm just pleased with the preamp and of course, receive no personal gain by recommending this product.
Michael Heim ARS KD0AR _______________________________________________
Michael has discovered what many of us have been preaching for many years. Preamps at the antenna makes a world of difference in what you hear.
But he also discovered how most preamps are blown. Its not from leakage via the antenna but from transmitting on the coax going from the radio to the preamp.
Solutions: * Use coax relays to bypass around the preamp. (I am doing this for 222 and 432 terrestrial antennas/preamps) * Purchase a preamp designed for a transceiver (usually rated for certain maximum power levels such as 25w or 160w, etc.). * Modify the radio so the receiver has a separate antenna connector. (I have this done on my FT-847) * Use of protective devices that absorb transmit power (up to 50w, usually) and only reduce preamp gain a little bit. So one should not be afraid to use Gasfet preamps. They are not usually blown by signals entering the input side. However, If you are in high lightning country you should provide for shorting the antenna input to the preamp to avoid HV static discharge.
Always locate the preamp close to the antenna to avoid cable losses in between the antenna and preamp that directly add to the noise figure. Use low-loss coax in that jumper. Coax from the preamp output to the radio may be low cost coax since the preamp gain will usually overcome these losses.
Thanks for your experience, Michael.
***************************************************** 73, Ed - KL7UW BP40iq, 6m - 3cm 144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xp20, 185w http://www.kl7uw.com AK VHF-Up Group NA Rep. for DUBUS: dubususa@hotmail.com *****************************************************
On 31 Aug 2008 at 11:25, Edward Cole wrote:
At 08:59 AM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
A recent post mentioned the need for a preamp. This reminded me of something I want to share with the group.
After building the kit, I put it up, worked a pass on AO-27, then goofed and sent 432 TX energy up the line, blew the amp. I ordered
Michael Heim ARS KD0AR _______________________________________________
Michael has discovered what many of us have been preaching for many years. Preamps at the antenna makes a world of difference in what you hear.
But he also discovered how most preamps are blown. Its not from leakage via the antenna but from transmitting on the coax going from the radio to the preamp.
Solutions: * Use coax relays to bypass around the preamp. (I am doing this for 222 and 432 terrestrial antennas/preamps) * Purchase a preamp designed for a transceiver (usually rated for certain maximum power levels such as 25w or 160w, etc.). * Modify the radio so the receiver has a separate antenna connector. (I have this done on my FT-847) * Use of protective devices that absorb transmit power (up to 50w, usually) and only reduce preamp gain a little bit. So one should not be afraid to use Gasfet preamps. They are not usually blown by signals entering the input side. However, If you are in high lightning country you should provide for shorting the antenna input to the preamp to avoid HV static discharge.
I was a non believer too but preamp for VHF UHF is mandatory If you don't want to use the sat 3 minutes only at TCA or calling CQ in the void. When someone like you is using as much power answer you it is already too late the pass band is close as all the other user also cranked up their power.
BLOWN PREAMP
Who never blow his preamp please raise your hand? I blow 3 repair 1 2 to go. But as the famous "transistor" is always hard to get! on my icom i order 6 just in case..Even if they are protected i managed to use an external voltage bias source who was always on when switching between bands. I ended up with the bad combination plus a mike who fell down just over my straight key and POOF not exactly it's insidious when you switch back to normal you don't hear the noise increased then you say !!!! (censored)
Here is below the solution i found. I know they are not the best for signal to noise ratio but as the run for the curliest girl on the dance floor syndrome the next one can also dance.
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Happy labor day week end. I will try to be on the sat tomorrow if my wife gardening crisis slow down a bit...50% off on trees and plants over here. 6 uprooted 1 planted 5 to go BUT could be next year "finger crossed" she return back tomorrow!!!
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