I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
Dave Reinhart wa6ilt@amsat.org
They have to fill it with garbage first :-)
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
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I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
Dave Reinhart wa6ilt@amsat.org
They already plan to fill it with garbage before undock and deorbit. "The Jules Verne will remain at the station until August. Once the station crew has unloaded it and repacked it with trash, the ATV will undock and begin its final flight into the Earth's atmosphere, where it will burn up over the Pacific Ocean. " Source http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/atv_extraordinaire.h tml
You might convince ESA to linger a bit before deorbit to conduct some experimentation using amateur radio but I suspect they will want to clear that double decker bus sized satellite from the sky.
Kenneth - N5VHO
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moore Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:23 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re-purposing ATVs
They have to fill it with garbage first :-)
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
----- Original Message ----- From: wa6ilt@verizon.net
I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
Dave Reinhart wa6ilt@amsat.org
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Guess the same idea could be tossed to the Russians for their unmanned Progress vehicle. It is a little bit smaller.
Kenneth - N5VHO
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:05 PM To: Jeff Moore; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re-purposing ATVs
They already plan to fill it with garbage before undock and deorbit. "The Jules Verne will remain at the station until August. Once the station crew has unloaded it and repacked it with trash, the ATV will undock and begin its final flight into the Earth's atmosphere, where it will burn up over the Pacific Ocean. " Source http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/atv_extraordinaire.h tml
You might convince ESA to linger a bit before deorbit to conduct some experimentation using amateur radio but I suspect they will want to clear that double decker bus sized satellite from the sky.
Kenneth - N5VHO
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moore Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:23 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re-purposing ATVs
They have to fill it with garbage first :-)
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
----- Original Message ----- From: wa6ilt@verizon.net
I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
Dave Reinhart wa6ilt@amsat.org
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On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:50 AM, wa6ilt@verizon.net wa6ilt@verizon.net wrote:
I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
That is a GREAT idea! I wonder what the incremental cost is. I'm sure they wouldn't be willing to just turn the whole thing over to amateur radio. But maybe they can be convinced anyway.
Maybe add some telemetry for a long-term microgravity composting experiment...
jeff
Rick Mann wrote:
On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:50 AM, wa6ilt@verizon.net wa6ilt@verizon.net wrote:
I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
That is a GREAT idea! I wonder what the incremental cost is. I'm sure they wouldn't be willing to just turn the whole thing over to amateur radio. But maybe they can be convinced anyway.
Nice idea but one of the major uses of the ATV is to fill it up with literally tons of garbage before it is deorbited, I doubt NASA or ESA would be happy to happy to do away with that facility:)
73
Graham G3VZV ----- Original Message ----- From: wa6ilt@verizon.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re-purposing ATVs
I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit, what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?
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On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Graham Shirville wrote:
Nice idea but one of the major uses of the ATV is to fill it up with literally tons of garbage before it is deorbited, I doubt NASA or ESA would be happy to happy to do away with that facility:)
No reason it can't be filled with garbage, and then parked in an orbit that would be useful to amateur radio (assuming sufficient fuel remains after ISS operations). It should have abundant power available for a powerful transmitter(s), and if they hang on to a little bit of fuel, it could be deorbited if it ever becomes a problem.
AMSat would have to pay for the radio equipment, and be willing to lose it at a moment's notice. ESA would have to donate the mass, and whatever time is necessary to accommodate our use.
The hardest part (aside from the convincing) is probably getting approval for adequat antennas.
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