To expand upon the flying repeater email.

"I'd be interested to know if there is going to be any technical challenge to working Fox 2 or if it will just be yet another ones of Clint's Easysats."

Now, the actual important comment in this sentence is the reference that Fox-1 being an FM bird is assumed to be easy to build. Strictly and professionally speaking this is a huge understatement of the technical challenges of any satellite. I'll assume you do not work in the the aerospace industry or have volunteering to build one of the AMSAT satellites (more than welcome to give it a shot!). Even an easysat is incredibly hard to build. Beyond the actual transmission mode the satellite must maintain a healthy power budget, provide telemetry to monitor the status of the satellite, be implemented in a 95mmx95mmx95mm space (inside the cube), survive the 5 year mission's expected 30krad dose of radiation, and survive 16 sunrises/sunsets per day in the vacuum of space (have heat? can't use convection to get rid it!). Just to name a few items...

To put the sunrise/sunset into perspective (think of the road and other objects you see cracking due to expansion and contraction) MIL-STD-1540 which is a good idea to follow and the associated specifications usually require a spacecraft to be designed to survive -34C to +71C temperature extremes. Try operating a consumer product in that environment and it will fail pretty quickly.

Also, from an extremely high-level point of view, the only difference between Fox-1 and Fox-2 will be the FM repeater being changed to the Software Defined Transponder (SDX). The SDX is a bit more power hungry so it requires an upgraded Maximum Power Point Tracker and more solar cells to produce the needed power. Otherwise, Fox-2 and Fox-1 will share a lot of the same technology. This is good because we don't want to re-invent the wheel. Therefore I respectively reject the idea that just because Fox-1 is an FM bird it is not technically challenging to design and build.

Bryce KB1LQC

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bryce Salmi bstguitarist@gmail.com wrote:

You can already find out more about the prototype maximum power point tracker that will be used to power the software defined transponder on Fox-2!

http://edge.rit.edu/edge/P13271/public/Home

Bryce KB1LQC

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Clayton Coleman kayakfishtx@gmail.comwrote:

...

Hi Michael

You're in luck. The Phase 2 Fox series are based on the SDX transponder as tested on ARISSat-1 and not your favorite "flying repeaters."

Learn more by visiting the "Meet the Fox Project" page at: http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1113

Welcome aboard. You can join AMSAT and renew via the web store or by calling the office.

See http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ and click on "Membership" for several options.

73 Clayton W5PFG On Feb 14, 2014 4:04 PM, "Michael" Mat_62@charter.net wrote:

...

If Fox 2 is a linear bird, I'll even put my money where my mouth is and renew my long dormant membership in AMSAT because I will feel that they are moving in a direction that I and many others have interest in. If

it's

...

just another flying repeater though well..... YAWN....I'm getting sleepy now. 73, Michael, W4HIJ

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Hold on. Not once did I ever suggest that ANY satellite was "easy to build". I very much respect the effort, research, testing, etc. that goes into every one, be it a flying repeater or not. My reference to the term "easysats" comes from Clint or one of his ilk that seems determined to show the rest of the amateur community how "easy" the FM sats are to work. That's all well and good for them to do that too. However, I was drawn to satellite work because of the challenge. I mean call me weird or crazy but when something loses it's challenge and becomes too easy, it begins to bore me pretty quickly. 73, Michael, W4HIJ

On 2/14/2014 7:00 PM, Bryce Salmi wrote:

To expand upon the flying repeater email.

"I'd be interested to know if there is going to be any technical challenge to working Fox 2 or if it will just be yet another ones of Clint's Easysats."

Now, the actual important comment in this sentence is the reference that Fox-1 being an FM bird is assumed to be easy to build. Strictly and professionally speaking this is a huge understatement of the technical challenges of any satellite. I'll assume you do not work in the the aerospace industry or have volunteering to build one of the AMSAT satellites (more than welcome to give it a shot!). Even an easysat is incredibly hard to build. Beyond the actual transmission mode the satellite must maintain a healthy power budget, provide telemetry to monitor the status of the satellite, be implemented in a 95mmx95mmx95mm space (inside the cube), survive the 5 year mission's expected 30krad dose of radiation, and survive 16 sunrises/sunsets per day in the vacuum of space (have heat? can't use convection to get rid it!). Just to name a few items...

To put the sunrise/sunset into perspective (think of the road and other objects you see cracking due to expansion and contraction) MIL-STD-1540 which is a good idea to follow and the associated specifications usually require a spacecraft to be designed to survive -34C to +71C temperature extremes. Try operating a consumer product in that environment and it will fail pretty quickly.

Also, from an extremely high-level point of view, the only difference between Fox-1 and Fox-2 will be the FM repeater being changed to the Software Defined Transponder (SDX). The SDX is a bit more power hungry so it requires an upgraded Maximum Power Point Tracker and more solar cells to produce the needed power. Otherwise, Fox-2 and Fox-1 will share a lot of the same technology. This is good because we don't want to re-invent the wheel. Therefore I respectively reject the idea that just because Fox-1 is an FM bird it is not technically challenging to design and build.

Bryce KB1LQC

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@gmail.com mailto:bstguitarist@gmail.com> wrote:

You can already find out more about the prototype maximum power
point tracker that will be used to power the software defined
transponder on Fox-2!

http://edge.rit.edu/edge/P13271/public/Home

Bryce
KB1LQC


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Clayton Coleman
<kayakfishtx@gmail.com <mailto:kayakfishtx@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi Michael

    You're in luck.  The Phase 2 Fox series are based on the SDX
    transponder as
    tested on ARISSat-1 and not your favorite "flying repeaters."

    Learn more by visiting the "Meet the Fox Project" page at:
    http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1113

    Welcome aboard.  You can join AMSAT and renew via the web
    store or by
    calling the office.

    See http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ and click on "Membership"
    for several
    options.

    73
    Clayton
    W5PFG
    On Feb 14, 2014 4:04 PM, "Michael" <Mat_62@charter.net
    <mailto:Mat_62@charter.net>> wrote:

    > If Fox 2 is a linear bird, I'll even put my money where my
    mouth is and
    > renew my long dormant  membership in AMSAT because I will
    feel that they
    > are moving in a direction that I and many others have
    interest in. If it's
    > just another flying repeater though well..... YAWN....I'm
    getting sleepy
    > now.
    > 73,
    > Michael, W4HIJ