Re: [amsat-bb] ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
My faith in hams making live contacts via ISS packet was restored!
N0BBD and K5UBQ answered me and exchanged information.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 4/18/2016 21:11, Jerry Buxton wrote:
Well? I didn't join in because that would have upset the experiment since I'm not usually on there anyway. So what happened?
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
So do I. Tried 2 years ago and never got a reply. Now I have skeds in place
Pedro
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On 19 Apr 2016, at 12:58, Clayton Coleman [email protected] wrote:
My faith in hams making live contacts via ISS packet was restored!
N0BBD and K5UBQ answered me and exchanged information.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 4/18/2016 21:11, Jerry Buxton wrote: Well? I didn't join in because that would have upset the experiment since I'm not usually on there anyway. So what happened?
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
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can you even have a QSO for all the beacons?
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass.
I use UISS software. That program has macros (like many other programs) that can be set up with all the info, then sent with the push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons.
Steve AI9IN
p.s. No spam from JT65 fans, please. I play with it myself. Catch you on 7.076 some evening!
On 2016-04-19 12:25, John Becker wrote:
can you even have a QSO for all the beacons?
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We should turn off digipeating of UI frames. One bit flip and it ends.
The ISS can beacon but this activity will end.
Bob
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass.
I use UISS software. That program has macros (like many other programs) that can be set up with all the info, then sent with the push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons.
Steve AI9IN
p.s. No spam from JT65 fans, please. I play with it myself. Catch you on 7.076 some evening!
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can you even have a QSO for all the beacons?
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Do you mean turn it into another BLEEPsat of our own making?..
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Subject: ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
We should turn off digipeating of UI frames. One bit flip and it ends. The ISS can beacon but this activity will end. Bob
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass. I use... macros that can be set up with all the info, then sent with the
push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons. Steve AI9IN
That is what it is now Bob. It is people on the ground doing the bleeping and they are using it as a pseudo bent pipe transponder doing demod/remod constantly unattended. is that how it was intended to be used?
Tell me how to stop this behavior without turning off UI? Or maybe you feel this is not a real impediment to comms. The originator of this thread seems to feel it is.
73s Bob
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
Do you mean turn it into another BLEEPsat of our own making?..
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Subject: ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
We should turn off digipeating of UI frames. One bit flip and it ends. The ISS can beacon but this activity will end. Bob
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass. I use... macros that can be set up with all the info, then sent with the
push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons. Steve AI9IN
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....now, at the end of the day, unattended use does no harm (other then annoying a few folks) as long as there are others using it for a quick QSO. If no one is available to "talk" it is not a problem for those that decide to run unattended stations. It is a perception problem by those that expect that on every ISS pass lots of folks just wait for quick preprogrammed or live UISS messages and "QSOs". At least the unattended stations keep the system in use because not to many other folks do. So lets increase the numbers of operators, have AMSAT or someone create an award or something. Blaming and shaming unattended use does not solve the lack of interest!
....and *no*, I do not run any unattended station and *yes*, i make the occasional QSO since I like it.
My 2 cents,
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Robert McGwier [email protected] wrote:
That is what it is now Bob. It is people on the ground doing the bleeping and they are using it as a pseudo bent pipe transponder doing demod/remod constantly unattended. is that how it was intended to be used?
Tell me how to stop this behavior without turning off UI? Or maybe you feel this is not a real impediment to comms. The originator of this thread seems to feel it is.
73s Bob
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
Do you mean turn it into another BLEEPsat of our own making?..
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Subject: ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
We should turn off digipeating of UI frames. One bit flip and it ends. The ISS can beacon but this activity will end. Bob
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass. I use... macros that can be set up with all the info, then sent with
the
push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons. Steve AI9IN
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The APRS space channel was designed to support user applications that need satellite connectivity. All of them use UI packets since they are the most efficient (all data in one packet):
1) APRS user message contacts (texting and QSOs)
2) Remote position and status reporting of ham travelers beyond range of the terrestrial network
3) Remote sensor data experiments (ocean buoys or WX data projects)
Generally, I have learned that trying to criticize how others use ham radio is a dead end. So instead we try to nudge them towards proper operating practice such as the guidelines on how to use the ISS digipeater: http://aprs.org/iss-faq.html
The recommendations have always been:
* live operators use a beacon rate of 1 beacon per minute and live QSO packets as required.
* Remote travelers (live) should set one packet every 2 minutes (live and moving).
* For non-moving travelers and unattended data sources, we recommend one packet every 5 minutes.
These rates can show good success for a dozen live users, a half dozen live mobiles and nearly 2 dozen unattended beacons per pass and this is about the average load. Though people would see higher suggess if we could get those dead-woods to cut back their rates.
Yes, it is sad that some people transmit unattended beacons via the ISS at 1 minute rates. So what we need to encourage those unattended stations to cut back to one packet every 5 minutes. At that rate, their load is insignificant but they have a good chance of showing up on the heard log ( http://ariss.net) once a day and they exercise and demonstrate the utility of the channel for remote Amateur Radio Applications.
So It would seem OK for a few policeman to look for 1 minute unattended beacons and contact them to read the above FAQ page as their responsibility for using the channel.
Bob Bruninga,wb4apr
*From:* Robert McGwier [mailto:[email protected]] *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
That is what it is now Bob. It is people on the ground doing the bleeping and they are using it as a pseudo bent pipe transponder doing demod/remod constantly unattended. is that how it was intended to be used?
Tell me how to stop this behavior without turning off UI? Or maybe you feel this is not a real impediment to comms. The originator of this thread seems to feel it is.
73s
Bob
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
Do you mean turn it into another BLEEPsat of our own making?..
-----Original Message-----
Subject: ISS Unattended Beacon Theory (UBT) - PROVE ME WRONG!
We should turn off digipeating of UI frames. One bit flip and it ends. The ISS can beacon but this activity will end. Bob
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A short exchange of name, QTH (Grid Square &/or state), then a QSL to acknowledge. Kind of like JT65 except faster than growing grass. I use... macros that can be set up with all the info, then sent with the
push of a button. It can be done if you're paying attention and catch the breaks between beacons. Steve AI9IN
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need to say it more often and much louder.
On 4/22/2016 3:17 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
- For non-moving travelers and unattended data sources, we recommend one
packet every 5 minutes.
My first time listening on 145.825, I was surprised to hear a lot of beaconing traffic that was NOT when the ISS was supposed to be overhead.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 3:27 PM, John Becker [email protected] wrote:
need to say it more often and much louder.
On 4/22/2016 3:17 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
- For non-moving travelers and unattended data sources, we recommend one
packet every 5 minutes.
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My first time listening on 145.825, I was surprised to hear a lot of beaconing traffic that was NOT when the ISS was supposed to be overhead.
Rememeber that PCSAT, and PSAT are also on that frequency and perform the same functions. So that totals to about 18 passes a day of activity (PCSAT only works in the day)
Bob
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 3:27 PM, John Becker [email protected] wrote:
need to say it more often and much louder.
On 4/22/2016 3:17 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
- For non-moving travelers and unattended data sources, we recommend
one packet every 5 minutes.
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