The earlier discussion on this topic caused me to think about my setup. I know the tracking programs use True North; my question: If my declination is 8 º 6' West, is my true north East or West of Magnetic North. I am currently setup to where my True North is 8º East of Magnetic North. I have looked a various sights on the Internet but I have always had a problem wrapping my thick brain around this topic.
Thanks,
Carl,
Please look at the FAQ provided by NOA, this should help:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/faqgeom.shtml
If you are interested in the technical details of the IGRF, see:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html
If I was not at work, I could provide a longer explanation.
Hope this helps! Joseph Armbruster, KJ4JIO
skype: Joseph Armbruster, Orlando Florida
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Carl Rimmer W8KRF w8krf@w8krf.net wrote:
The earlier discussion on this topic caused me to think about my setup. I know the tracking programs use True North; my question: If my declination is 8 º 6' West, is my true north East or West of Magnetic North. I am currently setup to where my True North is 8º East of Magnetic North. I have looked a various sights on the Internet but I have always had a problem wrapping my thick brain around this topic.
Thanks,
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On 9/6/2011 10:28 AM, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
Carl,
Please look at the FAQ provided by NOA, this should help:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/faqgeom.shtml
If you are interested in the technical details of the IGRF, see:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/IAGA/vmod/igrf.html
If I was not at work, I could provide a longer explanation.
Hope this helps! Joseph Armbruster, KJ4JIO
skype: Joseph Armbruster, Orlando Florida
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Carl Rimmer W8KRFw8krf@w8krf.net wrote:
The earlier discussion on this topic caused me to think about my setup. I know the tracking programs use True North; my question: If my declination is 8 º 6' West, is my true north East or West of Magnetic North. I am currently setup to where my True North is 8º East of Magnetic North. I have looked a various sights on the Internet but I have always had a problem wrapping my thick brain around this topic.
Thanks,
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Try this site to determine what your magnetic deviation is for your location.
http://www.thecompassstore.com/decvar.html#
Dale/KL7XJ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Rimmer W8KRF" w8krf@w8krf.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Magnetic North vs True North
The earlier discussion on this topic caused me to think about my setup. I know the tracking programs use True North; my question: If my declination is 8 º 6' West, is my true north East or West of Magnetic North. I am currently setup to where my True North is 8º East of Magnetic North. I have looked a various sights on the Internet but I have always had a problem wrapping my thick brain around this topic.
Thanks, -- *Carl W8KRF*
Hi Carl, W8KRF
Using a simple magnetic compass I suggest you to look at the Magnetic North and then compare the above North position with that of the Pole Star that indicates the True North.
To find the Pole Star in the True North direction in a clear sky is very easy because the Pole Star elevation in the sky is equal to your Latitude.
With the above informations you can easily establish if your True North is 8º 6' East or West of Magnetic North.
FYI Magnetic declination, sometimes called magnetic variation, is the angle between magnetic north and true north. Declination is considered positive east of true north and negative when west.
Magnetic declination changes over time and with location.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
Carl, an easy way to remember is:
True (Variation, also called declination) Magnetic (D deviation, compass error) Compass add west, (or add east going the other way)
Two Virgins Make Dead Company add west
The V is Variation, also called declination M Magnetic deviation(compass error) Compass add west.
The earlier discussion on this topic caused me to think about my setup. I know the tracking programs use True North; my question: If my declination is 8 º 6' West, is my true north East or West of Magnetic North. I am currently setup to where my True North is 8º East of Magnetic North. I have looked a various sights on the Internet but I have always had a problem wrapping my thick brain around this topic.
Thanks,
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73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
How i find my north!
At noon always using standard time i pointed the beam in the direction of top tower pole shadow on the ground. Quite simple and accurate enough here.
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Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
That works great when you are in the middle of your time zone, geographically, which you and I appear to be. It wouldn't be quite so accurate if you were in one of those absurd examples of politics trumping astrophysics, such as Iceland, north-central Mexico, Argentina, or most of China which is an hour or three off.
Greg KO6TH
From: lucleblanc6@videotron.ca To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:07:42 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Magnetic North vs True North
How i find my north!
At noon always using standard time i pointed the beam in the direction of top tower pole shadow on the ground. Quite simple and accurate enough here.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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True North
tip:
Look for the magnetic north with the compass, read their geographical coordinate in the GPS, use this webpage http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp and calculate the magnetic declination for their place. You will know where this the true north using the magnetic north + / - the degrees of magnetic declination.
Jose Luis Vila CX2AN CX0CFI op.
-----Mensaje original----- From: Luc Leblanc Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:07 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Magnetic North vs True North
How i find my north!
At noon always using standard time i pointed the beam in the direction of top tower pole shadow on the ground. Quite simple and accurate enough here.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Carl Rimmer W8KRF
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Dale Hershberger
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Luc Leblanc