Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause it to not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the new-n paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on 145.825, hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the ISS, yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on your path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
1. What's the most common Is there something that could cause it *not* to gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
These days I'm finding less and less stations on APRS via the ISS. This is a major reason as to why packets digipeated by the ISS aren't making it into the terrestrial APRS Internet Service. If there are only one or two stations within your mutual footprint and they can't hear very well, chances are your position digipeated by the ISS won't be heard by them. Therein lies your problem and why your packets aren't making it to the Internet. It is no fault of the APRS-IS or the ISS digipeater.
I was on a pass this morning, 63 degree elevation, that covered most of the western half of the United States. Of that entire pass I only copied 5 stations, all of which were automated with no live individuals at the keyboard. I was getting a 100% solid copy of the ISS.
I've never quiet understood the fascination with transmitting a packet and showing up on the Internet. Nowadays there's an app for that. The APRS-IS, ISS digipeater, and our terrestrial APRS networks are great resources. Unfortunately operating trends come and go and I think we are in a down cycle with less people active on the ISS digipeater over North America.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Mike Sprenger [email protected] wrote:
Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause it to not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the new-n paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on 145.825, hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the ISS, yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on your path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it *not* to
gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
-- Thanks, Mike W4UOO (37.9167N 81.1244W is the Summit) _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
The beacon while-unattended into a very valuable limited channel such as the ISS and PCSAT digipeaters are disappointing to me. The purpose of the APRS digipeaters in space are for humans to contact humans, or for the rare -out-in-the-atlantic or Pacific lone traveler or experiment.
The unattended beacons are intereference to that mission and are not welcome.
Bob, WB4aPR
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Clayton Coleman [email protected]wrote:
These days I'm finding less and less stations on APRS via the ISS. This is a major reason as to why packets digipeated by the ISS aren't making it into the terrestrial APRS Internet Service. If there are only one or two stations within your mutual footprint and they can't hear very well, chances are your position digipeated by the ISS won't be heard by them. Therein lies your problem and why your packets aren't making it to the Internet. It is no fault of the APRS-IS or the ISS digipeater.
I was on a pass this morning, 63 degree elevation, that covered most of the western half of the United States. Of that entire pass I only copied 5 stations, all of which were automated with no live individuals at the keyboard. I was getting a 100% solid copy of the ISS.
I've never quiet understood the fascination with transmitting a packet and showing up on the Internet. Nowadays there's an app for that. The APRS-IS, ISS digipeater, and our terrestrial APRS networks are great resources. Unfortunately operating trends come and go and I think we are in a down cycle with less people active on the ISS digipeater over North America.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Mike Sprenger [email protected] wrote:
Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause it
to
not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the new-n paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on
145.825,
hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the ISS, yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on
your
path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it *not*
to
gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
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I back Bob on this. Unless you live in the sticks, and possibly even then it's not like there's no way to get your location on the internet via APRS without going through the ISS a few times a day. I have tried keyboard contacts via ISS, it's like calling CQ on a dead 10 meters at midnight most of the time. At least the interference to that is less now with the lesser beacon activity. But there are so much better things to do with ISS than just add another digipeater to your unattended APRS beacon. Maybe you do it a couple of times to prove that you can, but things like MAREA or yet to be thought of things seem much more an "advancement of the art".
Jerry N0JY
On 5/26/2014 10:58 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
The beacon while-unattended into a very valuable limited channel such as the ISS and PCSAT digipeaters are disappointing to me. The purpose of the APRS digipeaters in space are for humans to contact humans, or for the rare -out-in-the-atlantic or Pacific lone traveler or experiment.
The unattended beacons are intereference to that mission and are not welcome.
Bob, WB4aPR
The goal overall, is to get the digi functionality working via the ISS, to use the capability live/attended for educational value part of the Radio Merit badge work for scouting.
Is my intended use inappropriate ?
Being a technical question, is the Amsat-BB right vehicle for a technical discussion as to why I'm no longer able to digi via the ISS or shall I look elsewhere ?
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
The beacon while-unattended into a very valuable limited channel such as the ISS and PCSAT digipeaters are disappointing to me. The purpose of the APRS digipeaters in space are for humans to contact humans, or for the rare -out-in-the-atlantic or Pacific lone traveler or experiment.
The unattended beacons are intereference to that mission and are not welcome.
Bob, WB4aPR
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Clayton Coleman [email protected]wrote:
These days I'm finding less and less stations on APRS via the ISS. This is a major reason as to why packets digipeated by the ISS aren't making it into the terrestrial APRS Internet Service. If there are only one or two stations within your mutual footprint and they can't hear very well, chances are your position digipeated by the ISS won't be heard by them. Therein lies your problem and why your packets aren't making it to the Internet. It is no fault of the APRS-IS or the ISS digipeater.
I was on a pass this morning, 63 degree elevation, that covered most of the western half of the United States. Of that entire pass I only copied 5 stations, all of which were automated with no live individuals at the keyboard. I was getting a 100% solid copy of the ISS.
I've never quiet understood the fascination with transmitting a packet and showing up on the Internet. Nowadays there's an app for that. The APRS-IS, ISS digipeater, and our terrestrial APRS networks are great resources. Unfortunately operating trends come and go and I think we are in a down cycle with less people active on the ISS digipeater over North America.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Mike Sprenger [email protected] wrote:
Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause it
to
not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the new-n paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on
145.825,
hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the
ISS,
yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on
your
path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it *not*
to
gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
-- Thanks, Mike W4UOO (37.9167N 81.1244W is the Summit) _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
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Attended use is certainly appropriate! It's those mindlessly beaconing all day on 145.825 MHz all day clogging the channel that aren't. If you can exchange messages with someone, that's even better.
Unfortunately, there seem to be fewer IGates listening on 145.825, which means less likelihood of making it through to the Internet.
The AMSAT-BB is certainly an appropriate forum for this discussion. Any and all discussion of amateur satellite operations is most welcome!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Mike Sprenger [email protected]wrote:
The goal overall, is to get the digi functionality working via the ISS, to use the capability live/attended for educational value part of the Radio Merit badge work for scouting.
Is my intended use inappropriate ?
Being a technical question, is the Amsat-BB right vehicle for a technical discussion as to why I'm no longer able to digi via the ISS or shall I look elsewhere ?
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
The beacon while-unattended into a very valuable limited channel such as the ISS and PCSAT digipeaters are disappointing to me. The purpose of
the
APRS digipeaters in space are for humans to contact humans, or for the
rare
-out-in-the-atlantic or Pacific lone traveler or experiment.
The unattended beacons are intereference to that mission and are not welcome.
Bob, WB4aPR
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Clayton Coleman <[email protected] wrote:
These days I'm finding less and less stations on APRS via the ISS. This is a major reason as to why packets digipeated by the ISS aren't making it into the terrestrial APRS Internet Service. If there are only one or two stations within your mutual footprint and they can't hear very well, chances are your position digipeated by the ISS won't be heard by them. Therein lies your problem and why your packets aren't making it to the Internet. It is no fault of the APRS-IS or the ISS digipeater.
I was on a pass this morning, 63 degree elevation, that covered most of the western half of the United States. Of that entire pass I only copied 5 stations, all of which were automated with no live individuals at the keyboard. I was getting a 100% solid copy of the ISS.
I've never quiet understood the fascination with transmitting a packet and showing up on the Internet. Nowadays there's an app for that. The APRS-IS, ISS digipeater, and our terrestrial APRS networks are great resources. Unfortunately operating trends come and go and I think we are in a down cycle with less people active on the ISS digipeater over North America.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Mike Sprenger <[email protected]
wrote:
Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause
it
to
not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the
new-n
paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on
145.825,
hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the
ISS,
yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on
your
path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it
*not*
to
gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
-- Thanks, Mike W4UOO (37.9167N 81.1244W is the Summit) _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
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Hi Mike,
why I'm no longer able to digi via the ISS ...
There are a few issues with the amateur radio equipment aboard the ISS. The only working ham rig at the moment is the 5 watt Ericsson HT. So the downlink is weaker than what we historically recall. The FM deviation seems a bit more narrow as well.
This report from the ARISS International meeting may offer additional insights:
http://www.arrl.org/news/ariss-international-partners-regroup-at-first -in-person-meeting-since-2011
I hope the mailing list doesn't mangle the long URL. Anyway, when you get halfway through this article there is a link called 'presentation' which gets you the PowerPoint slides from the meeting. The ARISS radio gear is discussed in the slides.
I've also found that orientation of the ISS with respect to my QTH affects how well I am heard on the uplink and how well I hear the downlink. Perhaps that is another reason the APRS gates aren't copying.
When you see my greetings on 145.825 I am always at the keyboard ... no beacons here. We can try for a packet QSO.
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM [email protected] Editor, AMSAT Journal
So, Here's what I've found:
1. When the ISS parallel's the eastern seaboard in the atlantic, there's no IGates in the footprint. The evening passes I've been trying have all run this path... 2. When the ISS is over the central US, the path is there, to an IGate: N0AN KF5ELB 3. CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE1-1 works for a path to an IGate (probably could debate this too...), don't think this was ever the issue.
The gear is now turned off so as not to busy the channel, none of this work was done unattended.
This will be interesting to show as part of Radio Merit Badge work when out Camping/Scouting.
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Mike Sprenger [email protected]wrote:
The goal overall, is to get the digi functionality working via the ISS, to use the capability live/attended for educational value part of the Radio Merit badge work for scouting.
Is my intended use inappropriate ?
Being a technical question, is the Amsat-BB right vehicle for a technical discussion as to why I'm no longer able to digi via the ISS or shall I look elsewhere ?
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga [email protected]wrote:
The beacon while-unattended into a very valuable limited channel such as the ISS and PCSAT digipeaters are disappointing to me. The purpose of the APRS digipeaters in space are for humans to contact humans, or for the rare -out-in-the-atlantic or Pacific lone traveler or experiment.
The unattended beacons are intereference to that mission and are not welcome.
Bob, WB4aPR
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Clayton Coleman [email protected]wrote:
These days I'm finding less and less stations on APRS via the ISS. This is a major reason as to why packets digipeated by the ISS aren't making it into the terrestrial APRS Internet Service. If there are only one or two stations within your mutual footprint and they can't hear very well, chances are your position digipeated by the ISS won't be heard by them. Therein lies your problem and why your packets aren't making it to the Internet. It is no fault of the APRS-IS or the ISS digipeater.
I was on a pass this morning, 63 degree elevation, that covered most of the western half of the United States. Of that entire pass I only copied 5 stations, all of which were automated with no live individuals at the keyboard. I was getting a 100% solid copy of the ISS.
I've never quiet understood the fascination with transmitting a packet and showing up on the Internet. Nowadays there's an app for that. The APRS-IS, ISS digipeater, and our terrestrial APRS networks are great resources. Unfortunately operating trends come and go and I think we are in a down cycle with less people active on the ISS digipeater over North America.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Mike Sprenger [email protected] wrote:
Used to be able to show up on the ariss.net web page when I digi my position via the ISS, now I can't figure out what I've done to cause
it to
not work any longer....(and I can successfully appear by using the
new-n
paradigm on terrestrial APRS on 144.39)
It's not an RF path problem, I can Digi via the ISS no problem on
145.825,
hearing my return packets from the ISS. I've digi'ed dozens via the
ISS,
yet, I can no longer gateway to the ARISS web page.
Referring to this page:
http://www.aprs.org/iss-faq.html
ISS145.825145.825ARISS | APRSAT | WIDEAdding an optional SGATE,WIDE on
your
path allows your
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, some of which are:
CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it
*not* to
gateway to the www.ariss.net page ? 2. What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
-- Thanks, Mike W4UOO (37.9167N 81.1244W is the Summit) _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
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-- Thanks, Mike Sprenger (37.9167N 81.1244W is the Summit)
Hi Mike,
I have tried to digi via ARISS using several paths, CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,SGATE,WIDE CQ,ARISS,WIDE1-1
I set my UNPROTO to CQ VIA RS0ISS (although ARISS does alias with RS0ISS). That is the only path I need for a digipeat via the ISS. I haven't needed the various flavors of WIDE.
So, 2 questions, using UI-View32:
- What's the most common Is there something that could cause it *not* to gateway to the www.ariss.net page ?
- What is the Digi Path to end up on www.ariss.net ?
I found when using UI-View that the map display of what you've heard is nice. I usually operate a bit more minimally when I'm looking for keyboard contacts. I do without the UI-View map. I use UISS for my keyboard operation.
I've found that the UZ7HO Soundmodem software in place of AGWPE "hears" a bit better. The thing with the soundcard packet modes is that the software packet engine expects a complete packet and correct checksum before displaying the message. With my hardware TNC I can set PASSALL ON. It lets the partial packets through which are often good enough for human interpretation rather than demanding a correct checksum.
A few times a year PCSAT gets enough sunlight to come alive and digipeat on 145.825. Just set your path UNPROTO CQ VIA W3ADO-1. The map display for who makes it through for PCSAT is at http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/pcsat.cgi
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM [email protected] Editor, AMSAT Journal
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