Hi Drew,

Well the southern hemisphere is a big place and I can assure you there is no operation in eclipse from VK/ZL. I monitor almost all evening passes here which occur shortly after the eclipse and on a number of occasions I have noted that the transponder was on at my AOS. It also tends to drop out shortly after AOS so given the length of the timer this would indicate a turn on somewhat south of ZL. This would also correspond to the time AO-51 comes out of eclipse. My first guess would be that sometimes the transponder is triggered as it comes out of eclipse as there are no stations south of ZL to trigger it. There is also continual switching between the normal and reduced power levels during the evening passes. I presume this indicates a marginal condition so perhaps usage down this way should be limited for a time after eclipse as well to give the batteries time to recover.

Alan ZL2BX

-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Glasbrenner Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 00:54 To: Rick - WA4NVM Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Down??

Rick - WA4NVM wrote:

Hi All,

I haven't heard the bird the last two orbits. I double checked the

sked.... no change.

73 all,

Rick WA4NVM

We have been very close to the low battery trip points due to continued attempted use in eclipse in the southern hemispere. I'll try to reset things first available pass, probably tomorrow AM EDT.

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Hi Drew,

The point of my email was to suggest that based on my observations, and knowledge of operations "down under", the fact that AO-51 is sometimes on in eclipse may not necessarily be caused by bad operators. There seems to be evidence to indicate that the transponder can be triggered for other reasons. There is only a very small group of regular operators in VK and I am the only currently active ZL on AO-51 and we are all well aware of the eclipse problem. A turn on at 1758z for example is 3:58am local time in VK. None of the regular operators operate at that time of the day. I can not guarantee of course that some rogue operator who never otherwise appears on the satellites is triggering the system but it seems unlikely. As a general observation I would point out that operations in this part of the world differ markedly from the Northern hemisphere. I have never to my knowledge exchanged a grid square. A typical pass consists of 2 to 5 stations, all well known to each other, and we simply have a round table discussion. It is this fact that gives me reasonable confidence as to whether or not there is operation in eclipse.

73 Alan ZL2BX

-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Glasbrenner [mailto:glasbrenner@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 02:14 To: Alan Cresswell Cc: 'Rick - WA4NVM'; 'AMSAT BB' Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Down??

Alan Cresswell wrote:

Hi Drew,

Well the southern hemisphere is a big place and I can assure you there is

no

operation in eclipse from VK/ZL. I monitor almost all evening passes here which occur shortly after the eclipse and on a number of occasions I have noted that the transponder was on at my AOS. It also tends to drop out shortly after AOS so given the length of the timer this would indicate a turn on somewhat south of ZL. This would also correspond to the time

AO-51

comes out of eclipse. My first guess would be that sometimes the transponder is triggered as it comes out of eclipse as there are no

stations

south of ZL to trigger it. There is also continual switching between the normal and reduced power levels during the evening passes. I presume this indicates a marginal condition so perhaps usage down this way should be limited for a time after eclipse as well to give the batteries time to recover.

Alan ZL2BX

I'm looking at a Whole Orbit Data file right now from 6/12 that indicates use at 2116Z and 1758Z, over Australia and New Zealand, in eclipse. Other files show similar patterns. I'm sure however that we will have the exact same problems, and worse, over the northern hemisphere during our winter eclipses! It may also be that the PL decoder is occasionally decoding falsely, which would mean a longer sample time might help.

The software does not increase power after eclipse until a set voltage is reached. I think the solution will be to lower the intermediate power step to zero, as the low one is, and then there will be no use possible during eclipse, but also with occasional periodic dropouts during poor attitudes during the rest of the orbit. Regardless, my comment was not meant as a slight to anyone, and was merely based on observation of the WOD. We can see pretty much everything that happens in 30s intervals.

Thanks for the observations.

73, Drew KO4MA

As much as I hate to say this, but I agree, given the state AO-51 is in. If only to prolong its life, I vote to turn it off or switch to a less used mode...just my two cents.

73's Peter VE7NGP

-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Luc Leblanc Sent: June 15, 2010 21:17 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Down??

I don't know if it is sound to let AO-51 on during the Field Day? It look like a bit suicidal!!

"-"

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