Unfortunately AO51 is gone, my thoughts are to get the P3E project moving and the thing in the air so we all can continue to enjoy this facet of the hobby; Can any one tell me what is the status of P3E? The web page appears to be not updated for some time. So I guess for those of you that have stood in their backyard and worked AO51 with a HT and a Arrow for many years what was that worth to you? I know that there a many in Australia that have hogged the thing let alone world wide, so how about putting your short arm in your deep pocket and donating to the project, stop all this bickering and move forward all this arguing that I've been reading is so counter productive to the cause. Remember gentlemen it's just a Hobby.
Frank H Woolfe; Dip EE,VK5KV.
I believe that the demise of ao-51 is a good thin for the forward movement of satellite communication and would vote for no more fm birds On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Frank Woolfe wrote:
Unfortunately AO51 is gone, my thoughts are to get the P3E project moving and the thing in the air so we all can continue to enjoy this facet of the hobby; Can any one tell me what is the status of P3E? The web page appears to be not updated for some time. So I guess for those of you that have stood in their backyard and worked AO51 with a HT and a Arrow for many years what was that worth to you? I know that there a many in Australia that have hogged the thing let alone world wide, so how about putting your short arm in your deep pocket and donating to the project, stop all this bickering and move forward all this arguing that I've been reading is so counter productive to the cause. Remember gentlemen it's just a Hobby.
Frank H Woolfe; Dip EE,VK5KV.
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:07:03 -0500 Doug Dietz [email protected] wrote:
I believe that the demise of ao-51 is a good thin for the forward movement of satellite communication and would vote for no more fm birds
Any particular reason? I tried the SSB sats, but they just plain weren't fun to operate. I suppose if you want to humph around expensive, fragile transceivers that require four hands to operate and still sound like an angry duck in a tin outhouse, SSB has something going for it.
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
At 05:33 PM 12/4/2011, you wrote in part
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
At the age of 66 (DEC 6th) I found that comment very very offensive.
John, W0JAB
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 18:06:15 -0600 John Becker [email protected] wrote:
At 05:33 PM 12/4/2011, you wrote in part
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
At the age of 66 (DEC 6th) I found that comment very very offensive.
John, W0JAB
Well, I'm sorry you found it offensive. I wonder if you found it as offensive as I find all the "FM sats are for idiot kids" remarks?
That's right...
Gordon meant to say the 'Early Bird Special Brigade' on 80m
73, and everyone lighten up here for Pete's sake..its a stupid BB !!
Merry Christmas to all, even if you like FM sats
73, Ted, K7TRK (VUCC Pending and most of it was on AO51, so there)
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Becker Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 4:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
At 05:33 PM 12/4/2011, you wrote in part
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
At the age of 66 (DEC 6th) I found that comment very very offensive.
John, W0JAB
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Wow, I am taken aback by the magnitude of anger and animosity on the lists. When did a hobby supposed to foster friendly, "amateur" communication become such a serious topic in people lives? I personally disagree with this viewpoint, but it's not important to me that I am willing to insult someone over it... I can state my objection and why without an insult
Now health care reform, finance reform, the economy, now these are topics that make me angry... but this IS ham radio, so I can't vent about these topics....
michael
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:07:03 -0500 Doug Dietz [email protected] wrote:
I believe that the demise of ao-51 is a good thin for the forward movement
of satellite communication and would vote for no more fm birds
Any particular reason? I tried the SSB sats, but they just plain weren't fun to operate. I suppose if you want to humph around expensive, fragile transceivers that require four hands to operate and still sound like an angry duck in a tin outhouse, SSB has something going for it.
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
I thought there were some good posts lately, working SO-50 and VO-52...
Now the politics dont think I will go there...
Kevin KF7MYK
From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:55:28 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
Wow, I am taken aback by the magnitude of anger and animosity on the lists. When did a hobby supposed to foster friendly, "amateur" communication become such a serious topic in people lives? I personally disagree with this viewpoint, but it's not important to me that I am willing to insult someone over it... I can state my objection and why without an insult
Now health care reform, finance reform, the economy, now these are topics that make me angry... but this IS ham radio, so I can't vent about these topics....
michael
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:07:03 -0500 Doug Dietz [email protected] wrote:
I believe that the demise of ao-51 is a good thin for the forward movement
of satellite communication and would vote for no more fm birds
Any particular reason? I tried the SSB sats, but they just plain weren't fun to operate. I suppose if you want to humph around expensive, fragile transceivers that require four hands to operate and still sound like an angry duck in a tin outhouse, SSB has something going for it.
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
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Thank you for the many great posts in response to my request for an overview of sats in the pipeline; very helpful info on FunSat, P3E and FOX.
At the end of the day, strong opinions we put in these posts, no-matter how passionate or convincing they are, aren't being counted by anyone.
The only votes that count are the ones that have dollars next to them. AMSAT-xx will only launch sats with funding. If you disagree and feel that SSB is a waste of time, and want FM sats to flourish, then outvote others with your dollars, not flames. I posted this thread because I plan to make my vote count.
So if its $5 or $50 or $500, and you feel strongly enough to post, then stop typing, get out your paypal or credit card, and make your opinion count, otherwise, this is all wasted virtual hot air.
Michael K3MH
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Deane Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 5:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
I thought there were some good posts lately, working SO-50 and VO-52...
Now the politics dont think I will go there...
Kevin KF7MYK
From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 16:55:28 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
Wow, I am taken aback by the magnitude of anger and animosity on the
lists.
When did a hobby supposed to foster friendly, "amateur" communication
become
such a serious topic in people lives? I personally disagree with this viewpoint, but it's not important to me that I am willing to insult
someone
over it... I can state my objection and why without an insult
Now health care reform, finance reform, the economy, now these are topics that make me angry... but this IS ham radio, so I can't vent about these topics....
michael
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:07:03 -0500 Doug Dietz [email protected] wrote:
I believe that the demise of ao-51 is a good thin for the forward
movement
of satellite communication and would vote for no more fm birds
Any particular reason? I tried the SSB sats, but they just plain weren't fun to operate. I suppose if you want to humph around expensive, fragile transceivers that require four hands to operate and still sound like an angry duck in a tin outhouse, SSB has something going for it.
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon JC Pearce" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:33 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
-- Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ [email protected]
Hi Gordon, MM0YEQ
At the age of 80 (March 15th) I found that comment very very offensive.
In addition I see that you technically don't know the advantages of the SSB over FM
Listen here please how looks an SSB QSO via VO-52 made day 28 november 2011 between my self and IW6OVD and compare with any FM satellite.
http://hamradio.selfip.com/iw6ovd/VO-52.mp3
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
On 12/4/2011 11:35 PM, i8cvs wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon JC Pearce"[email protected] To:[email protected] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:33 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lets move forward
Leave SSB to the gallbladder brigade on 80m.
-- Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ[email protected]
Hi Gordon, MM0YEQ
At the age of 80 (March 15th) I found that comment very very offensive.
I think that the gallbladder comment was offensive from the perspective that it was derogatory. I think it's important for all parts of amateur radio to understand how other parts view them. That peer "pressure" helps to all have conversation (when it gets to be a bad view) which can help us arrive at educating each other about why our views, behavior, equipment, operating practices etc. are different.
In addition I see that you technically don't know the advantages of the SSB over FM
This is a little on the "assumptive" side of the conversation. He may in fact completely understand what SSB brings to the table, but also understand, that practically, FM, WiFi, PSK or any other mode doesn't necessarily "enable" communications through a satellite as much as it "facilitates" a particular type of operating practice, some of which are "easier" to use, than others.
For very short duration conversations, SSB "tuning around" diminishes the usable time, because it inhibits communications for the moments that the stations are "chasing" each other. I.e. you don't know "where" the other station is at on the dial, and you tune around as they are calling, and then they start tuning away because no one comes back immediately.
With FM, you either hear them, or you don't, and the small single frequency sats make it unnecessary to guess. You just need a Doppler tuning capable radio, and either software to do Doppler for you, or some experience to learn how to do it yourself, manually.
Listen here please how looks an SSB QSO via VO-52 made day 28 november 2011 between my self and IW6OVD and compare with any FM satellite.
Listening to this, points out the difference in operating practices required between FM and SSB. It also illustrates a "casual conversation" on a satellite, which some would argue is something that you should not be using such limited resources for. The fact that you are using your native language, might say to someone who doesn't know the language, that you are trying to "ignore" or "leave out" other Amateur operators who you "don't want interfering with your QSO". That is the same kind of experience that many newer HF spectrum users find on 80m. There are some decade or longer "friends" roundtables on that band, and many of those conversations are so "specific" and/or so "small in interest" (health issues) that others operators don't feel like they can join the conversation. On most of the other bands, conversations are very different in nature.
I'm not trying to be harsh Domenico. Your contributions in the forum here, are always professional and educational. I just want you to have an idea of how someone else might perceive your intent so that you can see how the original derogatory comment can become easy to "toss out", in conversation.
Gregg Wonderly W5GGW
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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