I guess I'm a little fuzzy about what constitutes a valid contact when using the packet route. I have UISS up and running properly and can get into the ISS repeater and back out ok.
So, last night there was a good pass for me and I throw out my CQ. The repeater heard me and came back in red. Couple of tries later I see, in red "K7TRK N6YG, 599 in Carmichael". I try to respond several times with my return message but never see me come back in red.
So, is this just a partial contact as I did not see a red message from me to N6YG ? (I suspect it is)
Second question: Can ISS contacts via packet be logged in LOTW as SAT contacts?
Thank you,
Ted
K7TRK
VUCC Sat #226
Hi Ted!
It sounds like you didn't have a complete QSO. From what you wrote, it looks like what shows up in red was transmitted from the ISS digipeater. If you are seeing the packets as they are going from your station and from the ISS, you should see something that includes "Via RS0ISS*" - indicating a packet that was retransmitted by the ISS digipeater. Do you see a screen that looks something like the screenshot at:
https://twitter.com/ai6gs/status/559950544760893440/photo/1
(thanks to Mike AI6GS for posting that screenshot on his Twitter feed)
At a minimum, whatever you transmit needs to be digipeated by the ISS. Then the other station needs to receive what is retransmitted, plus you need to get something from the other station digipeated by the ISS. There needs to be some sort of back-and-forth, just like we do when working other satellites in a voice mode or CW.
As for your other question, yes - you can log ISS packet contacts in the Logbook of the World. You'd set the PROP_MODE field in your QSO records to be SAT, and use ARISS as the SAT_NAME.
If you'd like to try to make a QSO with me, let's chat away from this list and see about making that happen. I've made a few packet QSOs through the ISS digipeater in the past couple of months, and would be happy to give it a try with you. Or, on the weekends in the afternoons, we could also try NO-44.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ted [email protected] wrote:
I guess I'm a little fuzzy about what constitutes a valid contact when using the packet route. I have UISS up and running properly and can get into the ISS repeater and back out ok.
So, last night there was a good pass for me and I throw out my CQ. The repeater heard me and came back in red. Couple of tries later I see, in red "K7TRK N6YG, 599 in Carmichael". I try to respond several times with my return message but never see me come back in red.
So, is this just a partial contact as I did not see a red message from me to N6YG ? (I suspect it is)
Second question: Can ISS contacts via packet be logged in LOTW as SAT contacts?
I would contend that there needs to be an exchange of data (sig report?) and an acknowledgement that signal reports were received by both stations.
KX9X: CQ KX9X FN31 W1XYZ: KX9X de W1XYZ KX9X: W1XYZ 599 FN31W1XYZ: R TU 599 FN67KX9X: R 73
Meteor scatter ops and EME'ers have a protocol for what constitutes a QSO, especially with WSJT. So there's precendent from other communities.
These elements are needed for other satellite QSOs to count, as well.
My two cents. Your mileage may vary. Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) [email protected] To: "[email protected]" [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS contact protocol
Hi Ted!
It sounds like you didn't have a complete QSO. From what you wrote, it looks like what shows up in red was transmitted from the ISS digipeater. If you are seeing the packets as they are going from your station and from the ISS, you should see something that includes "Via RS0ISS*" - indicating a packet that was retransmitted by the ISS digipeater. Do you see a screen that looks something like the screenshot at:
https://twitter.com/ai6gs/status/559950544760893440/photo/1
(thanks to Mike AI6GS for posting that screenshot on his Twitter feed)
At a minimum, whatever you transmit needs to be digipeated by the ISS. Then the other station needs to receive what is retransmitted, plus you need to get something from the other station digipeated by the ISS. There needs to be some sort of back-and-forth, just like we do when working other satellites in a voice mode or CW.
As for your other question, yes - you can log ISS packet contacts in the Logbook of the World. You'd set the PROP_MODE field in your QSO records to be SAT, and use ARISS as the SAT_NAME.
If you'd like to try to make a QSO with me, let's chat away from this list and see about making that happen. I've made a few packet QSOs through the ISS digipeater in the past couple of months, and would be happy to give it a try with you. Or, on the weekends in the afternoons, we could also try NO-44.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ted [email protected] wrote:
I guess I'm a little fuzzy about what constitutes a valid contact when using the packet route. I have UISS up and running properly and can get into the ISS repeater and back out ok.
So, last night there was a good pass for me and I throw out my CQ. The repeater heard me and came back in red. Couple of tries later I see, in red "K7TRK N6YG, 599 in Carmichael". I try to respond several times with my return message but never see me come back in red.
So, is this just a partial contact as I did not see a red message from me to N6YG ? (I suspect it is)
Second question: Can ISS contacts via packet be logged in LOTW as SAT contacts?
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FWIW, KK5DO posted this standard for packet QSOs via the ISS 10 years ago.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200501/msg00347.html
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Sean K. [email protected] wrote:
I would contend that there needs to be an exchange of data (sig report?) and an acknowledgement that signal reports were received by both stations.
KX9X: CQ KX9X FN31 W1XYZ: KX9X de W1XYZ KX9X: W1XYZ 599 FN31W1XYZ: R TU 599 FN67KX9X: R 73
Meteor scatter ops and EME'ers have a protocol for what constitutes a QSO, especially with WSJT. So there's precendent from other communities.
These elements are needed for other satellite QSOs to count, as well.
My two cents. Your mileage may vary. Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) [email protected] To: "[email protected]" [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS contact protocol
Hi Ted!
It sounds like you didn't have a complete QSO. From what you wrote, it looks like what shows up in red was transmitted from the ISS digipeater. If you are seeing the packets as they are going from your station and from the ISS, you should see something that includes "Via RS0ISS*" - indicating a packet that was retransmitted by the ISS digipeater. Do you see a screen that looks something like the screenshot at:
https://twitter.com/ai6gs/status/559950544760893440/photo/1
(thanks to Mike AI6GS for posting that screenshot on his Twitter feed)
At a minimum, whatever you transmit needs to be digipeated by the ISS. Then the other station needs to receive what is retransmitted, plus you need to get something from the other station digipeated by the ISS. There needs to be some sort of back-and-forth, just like we do when working other satellites in a voice mode or CW.
As for your other question, yes - you can log ISS packet contacts in the Logbook of the World. You'd set the PROP_MODE field in your QSO records to be SAT, and use ARISS as the SAT_NAME.
If you'd like to try to make a QSO with me, let's chat away from this list and see about making that happen. I've made a few packet QSOs through the ISS digipeater in the past couple of months, and would be happy to give it a try with you. Or, on the weekends in the afternoons, we could also try NO-44.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ted [email protected] wrote:
I guess I'm a little fuzzy about what constitutes a valid contact when
using
the packet route. I have UISS up and running properly and can get into
the
ISS repeater and back out ok.
So, last night there was a good pass for me and I throw out my CQ. The repeater heard me and came back in red. Couple of tries later I see, in
red
"K7TRK N6YG, 599 in Carmichael". I try to respond several times with my return message but never see me come back in red.
So, is this just a partial contact as I did not see a red message from
me to
N6YG ? (I suspect it is)
Second question: Can ISS contacts via packet be logged in LOTW as SAT contacts?
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Paul, would this then count as a QSO? His beacon, my QSL, his automated ACK?
00:00:19:45 : N0AN-6]...::VE6WK-7 :ack01 00:00:19:48 : VE6WK-7]...::N0AN-6 :qsl{1 00:00:20:00 : N0AN-6]...Hasan Iowa EN22
Regards, Bill VE6WK
On 1/28/2015 6:32 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
FWIW, KK5DO posted this standard for packet QSOs via the ISS 10 years ago.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200501/msg00347.html
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Sean K. [email protected] wrote:
I would contend that there needs to be an exchange of data (sig report?) and an acknowledgement that signal reports were received by both stations.
KX9X: CQ KX9X FN31 W1XYZ: KX9X de W1XYZ KX9X: W1XYZ 599 FN31W1XYZ: R TU 599 FN67KX9X: R 73
Meteor scatter ops and EME'ers have a protocol for what constitutes a QSO, especially with WSJT. So there's precendent from other communities.
These elements are needed for other satellite QSOs to count, as well.
My two cents. Your mileage may vary. Sean Kutzko Amateur Radio KX9X From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) [email protected] To: "[email protected]" [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS contact protocol
Hi Ted!
It sounds like you didn't have a complete QSO. From what you wrote, it looks like what shows up in red was transmitted from the ISS digipeater. If you are seeing the packets as they are going from your station and from the ISS, you should see something that includes "Via RS0ISS*" - indicating a packet that was retransmitted by the ISS digipeater. Do you see a screen that looks something like the screenshot at:
https://twitter.com/ai6gs/status/559950544760893440/photo/1
(thanks to Mike AI6GS for posting that screenshot on his Twitter feed)
At a minimum, whatever you transmit needs to be digipeated by the ISS. Then the other station needs to receive what is retransmitted, plus you need to get something from the other station digipeated by the ISS. There needs to be some sort of back-and-forth, just like we do when working other satellites in a voice mode or CW.
As for your other question, yes - you can log ISS packet contacts in the Logbook of the World. You'd set the PROP_MODE field in your QSO records to be SAT, and use ARISS as the SAT_NAME.
If you'd like to try to make a QSO with me, let's chat away from this list and see about making that happen. I've made a few packet QSOs through the ISS digipeater in the past couple of months, and would be happy to give it a try with you. Or, on the weekends in the afternoons, we could also try NO-44.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ted [email protected] wrote:
I guess I'm a little fuzzy about what constitutes a valid contact when
using
the packet route. I have UISS up and running properly and can get into
the
ISS repeater and back out ok.
So, last night there was a good pass for me and I throw out my CQ. The repeater heard me and came back in red. Couple of tries later I see, in
red
"K7TRK N6YG, 599 in Carmichael". I try to respond several times with my return message but never see me come back in red.
So, is this just a partial contact as I did not see a red message from
me to
N6YG ? (I suspect it is)
Second question: Can ISS contacts via packet be logged in LOTW as SAT contacts?
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On 1/29/2015 12:40 PM, Bill Attwood wrote:
Paul, would this then count as a QSO? His beacon, my QSL, his automated ACK?
00:00:19:45 : N0AN-6]...::VE6WK-7 :ack01 00:00:19:48 : VE6WK-7]...::N0AN-6 :qsl{1 00:00:20:00 : N0AN-6]...Hasan Iowa EN22
There is a rule to what is and is not. I have not check in many many years since no longer chasing DX. But I would question that.
John
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John Becker -
Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) -
Paul Stoetzer -
Sean K. -
Ted