At 06:55 AM 4/29/2007, Jeff Davis, KE9V wrote:
Sat Friends,
Have you noticed the confluence of satellites scheduled to be launched in 2009? With the recent SSETI-ESEO news it seems that there is a good chance that P3E, SSETI and maybe even Eagle will fly in the 2009 time frame (plus/minus the normal delays).
While that seems like a long time to have to wait, it also provides the opportunity to begin planning a new groundstation that can take advantage of the 2009 "Feast of Satellites."
It's been years since the AO-40 failure and over a decade since AO-13 went sub-orbital. I can't be the only satellite enthusiast who could certainly do with a complete station overhaul?
I hope we will see much discussion on the -BB about assembling new stations, new antennas and accessories. Since a person could invest a lot of money on equipment, it would be useful to have some published guidelines. Perhaps a series of articles in the Journal and other publications will be forthcoming as we all prepare for a new generation of satellite fun!
Just something to think about. Having to wait such a long time for these projects to come to fruition is frustrating but it also offers enough time to begin saving for new equipment and assembling and testing everything required so we are all ready to use the new birds when they appear on the horizon.
73, Jeff KE9V
Jeff and all others thinking about long-term station needs:
One can start by assessing what type of satelllite(s) you desire to work (or receive). Then look up the individual satellite project's home page to find their operating parameters: orbit type, min/max range, frequencies, power output and antennas.
Once you have the particulars for the satellites you wish to track, then you need to calculate path-link performance in order to determine your ground station antenna, receiver and transmitter requirements. This last part is probably the biggest problem for most prospective operators.
In the past I (and others) have written some programs to analyze performance of certain satellites. Most recently I did one for receiving the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, but this can be used (with a few modifications) for making path-link calculations for any satellite; here is the link to the Excel spreadsheet: http://www.kl7uw.com/MROCalc.xls
It is not very fancy and has no macros, but it will provide one with an idea of what they need on the ground for receiving. To modify this program to suit another satellite you will need to turn off "protection" by clicking "tools", "protection", and select "unprotect sheet".
In order for me (or others) to produce a program for predicting satellite performance (path-link analysis), we will need to know certain satellite parameters. I have not investigated to see if enough of these have been established for P3E or Eagle, for one to produce a specific program. A completely generic program can be done, which then would place the issue of gathering these parameters in the hands of the user.
But I guess that such a generic program would have some value even if some items were "guess-itmates"!
Once you have determined a set of antenna gain, receiver noise figure, and transmitter power requirements for your ground station, then it becomes a process of designing a station to accomplish them: right combos of radios, converters, preamps, cables, antennas, and tracking.
I know that many wish a complete paper or article suggesting specific equipment and configurations to accomplish this. But at this point I suspect that too many things are still subject to change or still in design, to "nail down".
73, Ed - KL7UW ====================================== BP40IQ 50-MHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com 144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xpol-20, 185w DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@hotmail.com ======================================
We need new IF-DSP V/H/SHF radios with built in band scopes and modules up to 5GHZ.
On Apr 29, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Edward Cole wrote:
At 06:55 AM 4/29/2007, Jeff Davis, KE9V wrote:
Sat Friends,
Have you noticed the confluence of satellites scheduled to be launched in 2009? With the recent SSETI-ESEO news it seems that there is a good chance that P3E, SSETI and maybe even Eagle will fly in the 2009 time frame (plus/minus the normal delays).
At 12:47 PM 4/29/2007, MKM wrote:
We need new IF-DSP V/H/SHF radios with built in band scopes and modules up to 5GHZ.
The solution is to use a SDR on the IF of your current radio. Then software can provide DSP, filtering, spectral and waterfall displays, decoding...etc. I am testing the SDR-IQ using the 28-30 MHz output of the DEMI 144/28 converter. 144-MHz is very commonly used IF for microwave converters.
For instance, I have transverters for 1296 and 10,368 MHz and converters for 2401 MHz.
SDR's are showing up more frequently these days. Checkout Flex Radio, RFSpace, and Ettus Research.
73, Ed - KL7UW ====================================== BP40IQ 50-MHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com 144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xpol-20, 185w DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@hotmail.com ======================================
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