Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p
Kevin,
I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin <via AMSAT-BB <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p < <Chris, < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <1.07y to verify it is good. < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 < <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav < <Thanks <Kevin wa7fwf < <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read into <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a sound <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? Try <to <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set FoxTelem <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> thanks <> Chris <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that I'm <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <rate <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <>> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <>> <>> -----Original Message----- <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin via <>> AMSAT-BB <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <>> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <>> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <>> <>> Thanks <>> Kevin <>> <>> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc instead. <>>> <>>> 73, <>>> <>>> Alan <>>> <>>> WA4SCA <>>> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> Hi All, <>>> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, dropping <>>> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <>>> <>>> 73 <>>> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <>>> <>>> _______________________________________________ <>>> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>>> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <>>> Opinions expressed <>>> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <>>> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <>> program! <>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <> < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT- <NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Alan, Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 Java jre1.8.0_221
wonder what other variables might be a factor?
73 Kevin wa7fwf
On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Kevin,
I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin <via AMSAT-BB <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p < <Chris, < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <1.07y to verify it is good. < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 < <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav < <Thanks <Kevin wa7fwf < <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read into <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a sound <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? Try <to <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set FoxTelem <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> thanks <> Chris <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that I'm <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <rate <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <>> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <>> <>> -----Original Message----- <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin via <>> AMSAT-BB <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <>> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <>> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <>> <>> Thanks <>> Kevin <>> <>> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc instead. <>>> <>>> 73, <>>> <>>> Alan <>>> <>>> WA4SCA <>>> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> Hi All, <>>> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, dropping <>>> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <>>> <>>> 73 <>>> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <>>> <>>> _______________________________________________ <>>> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>>> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <>>> Opinions expressed <>>> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <>>> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <>> program! <>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <> < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT- <NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Kevin,
My shack computer runs WIN7 64 bit sp1. I installed a fresh copy of 1.08p on my WIN10 64 bit computer, version 1903 build 18362.356. I made no changed to the FoxTelem defaults except to put in my callsign and other information to keep it happy.
First I ran the file through Raised Cosine using the defaults. 25 frames. I deleted the log files, switched to Windows Sinc using my standard 1440 length. 25 frames.
No idea what I might be doing different. Usually I am the one who has the odd problem.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Kevin [mailto:wa7fwf@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:09 AM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; Alan wa4sca@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p < <Alan, < Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 < Java jre1.8.0_221 < < wonder what other variables might be a factor? < <73 <Kevin wa7fwf < < < <On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> Kevin, <> <> I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is <about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved. <> <> 73, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin <> <via AMSAT-BB <> <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <> <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> < <> <Chris, <> < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <> <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. <> < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <> <1.07y to verify it is good. <> < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is <> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 <> < <> <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav <> < <> <Thanks <> <Kevin wa7fwf <> < <> <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read <into <> <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a <sound <> <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? <Try <> <to <> <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set <FoxTelem <> <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> <> <> thanks <> <> Chris <> <> <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <> <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <> <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that <I'm <> <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <> <rate <> <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <> <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <> <>> <> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <> <>> <> <>> -----Original Message----- <> <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <> <Kevin via <> <>> AMSAT-BB <> <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <> <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>> <> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <> <>> <> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <> <>> <> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <> <>> <> <>> Thanks <> <>> Kevin <> <>> <> <>> <> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <> <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc <instead. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73, <> <>>> <> <>>> Alan <> <>>> <> <>>> WA4SCA <> <>>> <> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <> <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> Hi All, <> <>>> <> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, <dropping <> <>>> <> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73 <> <>>> <> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <> <>>> <> <>>> _______________________________________________ <> <>>> <> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <> <available <> <>>> <> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> <>>> Opinions expressed <> <>>> <> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <> <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <> <>>> <> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <> <>> program! <> <>>> Subscription settings: <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> <>>> <> <>> _______________________________________________ <> <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. 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Alan, Just had 95, 91 and 92 go by and all 3 decoded and all 3 decoders also worked although windowed sinc seems to be the best. Whats interesting is 1.07Y will decode if you are on the left side or the right side of the image but 1.08 only works if you are on the "right" side, I will leave that up to Chris to explain why that is. I can go in and tweak the frequency settings to make foxtelem always look on the right side.
73 Kevin wa7fwf
On 10/31/2019 10:30, Alan wrote:
Kevin,
My shack computer runs WIN7 64 bit sp1. I installed a fresh copy of 1.08p on my WIN10 64 bit computer, version 1903 build 18362.356. I made no changed to the FoxTelem defaults except to put in my callsign and other information to keep it happy.
First I ran the file through Raised Cosine using the defaults. 25 frames. I deleted the log files, switched to Windows Sinc using my standard 1440 length. 25 frames.
No idea what I might be doing different. Usually I am the one who has the odd problem.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Kevin [mailto:wa7fwf@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:09 AM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; Alan wa4sca@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p < <Alan, < Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 < Java jre1.8.0_221 < < wonder what other variables might be a factor? < <73 <Kevin wa7fwf < < < <On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> Kevin, <> <> I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is <about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved. <> <> 73, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin <> <via AMSAT-BB <> <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <> <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> < <> <Chris, <> < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <> <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. <> < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <> <1.07y to verify it is good. <> < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is <> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 <> < <> <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav <> < <> <Thanks <> <Kevin wa7fwf <> < <> <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read <into <> <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a <sound <> <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? <Try <> <to <> <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set <FoxTelem <> <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> <> <> thanks <> <> Chris <> <> <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <> <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <> <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that <I'm <> <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <> <rate <> <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <> <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <> <>> <> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <> <>> <> <>> -----Original Message----- <> <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <> <Kevin via <> <>> AMSAT-BB <> <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <> <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>> <> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <> <>> <> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <> <>> <> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <> <>> <> <>> Thanks <> <>> Kevin <> <>> <> <>> <> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <> <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc <instead. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73, <> <>>> <> <>>> Alan <> <>>> <> <>>> WA4SCA <> <>>> <> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <> <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> Hi All, <> <>>> <> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, <dropping <> <>>> <> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73 <> <>>> <> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <> <>>> <> <>>> _______________________________________________ <> <>>> <> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <> <available <> <>>> <> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> <>>> Opinions expressed <> <>>> <> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <> <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <> <>>> <> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <> <>> program! <> <>>> Subscription settings: <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> <>>> <> <>> _______________________________________________ <> <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. 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I just reinstalled 1.08p and can now decode the WAV file Left, or Right, Raised Cosine, or Windowed Sync. Decoded 23 23 23 23 packets. Now what's odd is I couldn't get the WAV file to decode until I deleted 108y, and then reinstalled it. Win10 build 1903.
tonight's passes will be interesting...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; 'AMSAT-BB' Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p
Alan, Just had 95, 91 and 92 go by and all 3 decoded and all 3 decoders also worked although windowed sinc seems to be the best. Whats interesting is 1.07Y will decode if you are on the left side or the right side of the image but 1.08 only works if you are on the "right" side, I will leave that up to Chris to explain why that is. I can go in and tweak the frequency settings to make foxtelem always look on the right side.
73 Kevin wa7fwf
On 10/31/2019 10:30, Alan wrote:
Kevin,
My shack computer runs WIN7 64 bit sp1. I installed a fresh copy of 1.08p on my WIN10 64 bit computer, version 1903 build 18362.356. I made no changed to the FoxTelem defaults except to put in my callsign and other information to keep it happy.
First I ran the file through Raised Cosine using the defaults. 25 frames. I deleted the log files, switched to Windows Sinc using my standard 1440 length. 25 frames.
No idea what I might be doing different. Usually I am the one who has the odd problem.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Kevin [mailto:wa7fwf@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:09 AM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; Alan wa4sca@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p < <Alan, < Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 < Java jre1.8.0_221 < < wonder what other variables might be a factor? < <73 <Kevin wa7fwf < < < <On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> Kevin, <> <> I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is <about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved. <> <> 73, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin <> <via AMSAT-BB <> <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <> <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> < <> <Chris, <> < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <> <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. <> < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <> <1.07y to verify it is good. <> < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is <> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 <> < <> <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav <> < <> <Thanks <> <Kevin wa7fwf <> < <> <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read <into <> <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a <sound <> <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? <Try <> <to <> <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set <FoxTelem <> <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> <> <> thanks <> <> Chris <> <> <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <> <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <> <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that <I'm <> <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <> <rate <> <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <> <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <> <>> <> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <> <>> <> <>> -----Original Message----- <> <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <> <Kevin via <> <>> AMSAT-BB <> <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <> <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>> <> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <> <>> <> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <> <>> <> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <> <>> <> <>> Thanks <> <>> Kevin <> <>> <> <>> <> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <> <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc <instead. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73, <> <>>> <> <>>> Alan <> <>>> <> <>>> WA4SCA <> <>>> <> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <> <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> Hi All, <> <>>> <> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, <dropping <> <>>> <> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73 <> <>>> <> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <> <>>> <> <>>> _______________________________________________ <> <>>> <> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <> <available <> <>>> <> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> <>>> Opinions expressed <> <>>> <> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <> <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <> <>>> <> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <> <>> program! <> <>>> Subscription settings: <https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <> <>>> <> <>> _______________________________________________ <> <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. 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For anyone following this thread, the code is now fixed. There were two issues that prevented good decodes from the IC-9700.
1/ The IF output of the IC-9700 is not a true IQ signal and you have both a lower and upper sideband image. One has the bits flipped upside down. Historically FoxTelem has coped with the bits with either sense, even though only one is "correct", so 1.07 decoded fine from the wrong image. I had introduced a bug that meant the "bit flip" check was not run. That code is back in.
2/ There was also an issue where the algorithm that finds the signal was not being run if SatPC32 position was being read. That was a common configuration for IC-9700 owners, so it compounded the problem.
You can download the jar file and patch your installation from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/test/FoxTelem.jar
Or install the whole 1.08r release as normal from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/windows/ http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/linux/ http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/mac/
73 Chris
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:12 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I just reinstalled 1.08p and can now decode the WAV file Left, or Right, Raised Cosine, or Windowed Sync. Decoded 23 23 23 23 packets. Now what's odd is I couldn't get the WAV file to decode until I deleted 108y, and then reinstalled it. Win10 build 1903.
tonight's passes will be interesting...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; 'AMSAT-BB' Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p
Alan, Just had 95, 91 and 92 go by and all 3 decoded and all 3 decoders also worked although windowed sinc seems to be the best. Whats interesting is 1.07Y will decode if you are on the left side or the right side of the image but 1.08 only works if you are on the "right" side, I will leave that up to Chris to explain why that is. I can go in and tweak the frequency settings to make foxtelem always look on the right side.
73 Kevin wa7fwf
On 10/31/2019 10:30, Alan wrote:
Kevin,
My shack computer runs WIN7 64 bit sp1. I installed a fresh copy of
1.08p on my WIN10 64 bit computer, version 1903 build 18362.356. I made no changed to the FoxTelem defaults except to put in my callsign and other information to keep it happy.
First I ran the file through Raised Cosine using the defaults. 25
frames. I deleted the log files, switched to Windows Sinc using my standard 1440 length. 25 frames.
No idea what I might be doing different. Usually I am the one who has
the odd problem.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Kevin [mailto:wa7fwf@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:09 AM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; Alan wa4sca@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p < <Alan, < Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 < Java jre1.8.0_221 < < wonder what other variables might be a factor? < <73 <Kevin wa7fwf < < < <On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> Kevin, <> <> I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames,
which is
<about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable
involved.
<> <> 73, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin <> <via AMSAT-BB <> <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <> <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> < <> <Chris, <> < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <> <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. <> < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <> <1.07y to verify it is good. <> < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is <> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 <> < <> <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav <> < <> <Thanks <> <Kevin wa7fwf <> < <> <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is
hard. So
<> <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio
read
<into <> <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a <sound <> <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? <Try <> <to <> <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set <FoxTelem <> <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> <> <> thanks <> <> Chris <> <> <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <> <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime
I'm now
<> <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup
that
<I'm <> <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better
decode
<> <rate <> <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is
clearly better
<> <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <> <>> <> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <> <>> <> <>> -----Original Message----- <> <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <> <Kevin via <> <>> AMSAT-BB <> <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <> <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>> <> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <> <>> <> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <> <>> <> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <> <>> <> <>> Thanks <> <>> Kevin <> <>> <> <>> <> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <> <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc <instead. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73, <> <>>> <> <>>> Alan <> <>>> <> <>>> WA4SCA <> <>>> <> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <> <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> Hi All, <> <>>> <> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem
1.08p
<> <>>> <> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, <dropping <> <>>> <> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73 <> <>>> <> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <> <>>> <> <>>> _______________________________________________ <> <>>> <> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <> <available <> <>>> <> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> <>>> Opinions expressed <> <>>> <> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views
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As always Thank You Chris for your time and expertise in quickly fixing this.
73 Kevin WA7FWF
On 11/2/2019 05:26, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote:
For anyone following this thread, the code is now fixed. There were two issues that prevented good decodes from the IC-9700.
1/ The IF output of the IC-9700 is not a true IQ signal and you have both a lower and upper sideband image. One has the bits flipped upside down. Historically FoxTelem has coped with the bits with either sense, even though only one is "correct", so 1.07 decoded fine from the wrong image. I had introduced a bug that meant the "bit flip" check was not run. That code is back in.
2/ There was also an issue where the algorithm that finds the signal was not being run if SatPC32 position was being read. That was a common configuration for IC-9700 owners, so it compounded the problem.
You can download the jar file and patch your installation from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/test/FoxTelem.jar
Or install the whole 1.08r release as normal from here: http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/windows/ http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/linux/ http://amsat.us/FoxTelem/mac/
73 Chris
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:12 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I just reinstalled 1.08p and can now decode the WAV file Left, or Right, Raised Cosine, or Windowed Sync. Decoded 23 23 23 23 packets. Now what's odd is I couldn't get the WAV file to decode until I deleted 108y, and then reinstalled it. Win10 build 1903.
tonight's passes will be interesting...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; 'AMSAT-BB' Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p
Alan, Just had 95, 91 and 92 go by and all 3 decoded and all 3 decoders also worked although windowed sinc seems to be the best. Whats interesting is 1.07Y will decode if you are on the left side or the right side of the image but 1.08 only works if you are on the "right" side, I will leave that up to Chris to explain why that is. I can go in and tweak the frequency settings to make foxtelem always look on the right side.
73 Kevin wa7fwf
On 10/31/2019 10:30, Alan wrote:
Kevin,
My shack computer runs WIN7 64 bit sp1. I installed a fresh copy of
1.08p on my WIN10 64 bit computer, version 1903 build 18362.356. I made no changed to the FoxTelem defaults except to put in my callsign and other information to keep it happy.
First I ran the file through Raised Cosine using the defaults. 25
frames. I deleted the log files, switched to Windows Sinc using my standard 1440 length. 25 frames.
No idea what I might be doing different. Usually I am the one who has
the odd problem.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Kevin [mailto:wa7fwf@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:09 AM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; Alan wa4sca@gmail.com; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & FoxTelem 1.08p < <Alan, < Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763 < Java jre1.8.0_221 < < wonder what other variables might be a factor? < <73 <Kevin wa7fwf < < < <On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> Kevin, <> <> I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames,
which is
<about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable
involved.
<> <> 73, <> <> Alan <> WA4SCA <> <> <> <-----Original Message----- <> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin <> <via AMSAT-BB <> <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <> <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> < <> <Chris, <> < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <> <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. <> < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <> <1.07y to verify it is good. <> < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is <> < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 <> < <> <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav <> < <> <Thanks <> <Kevin wa7fwf <> < <> <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is
hard. So
<> <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio
read
<into <> <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a <sound <> <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? <Try <> <to <> <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set <FoxTelem <> <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> <> <> thanks <> <> Chris <> <> <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <> <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime
I'm now
<> <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup
that
<I'm <> <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better
decode
<> <rate <> <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is
clearly better
<> <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <> <>> <> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <> <>> <> <>> -----Original Message----- <> <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <> <Kevin via <> <>> AMSAT-BB <> <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <> <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>> <> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <> <>> <> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <> <>> <> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <> <>> <> <>> Thanks <> <>> Kevin <> <>> <> <>> <> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <> <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc <instead. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73, <> <>>> <> <>>> Alan <> <>>> <> <>>> WA4SCA <> <>>> <> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <> <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <> <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <> <>>> <> <>>> Hi All, <> <>>> <> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem
1.08p
<> <>>> <> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, <dropping <> <>>> <> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <> <>>> <> <>>> 73 <> <>>> <> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <> <>>> <> <>>> _______________________________________________ <> <>>> <> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <> <available <> <>>> <> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <> <>>> Opinions expressed <> <>>> <> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
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On 2019-10-31 11:08 AM, Kevin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Windows 10 pro Version 10.0.17763 Build 17763
You may want to update the Windows 10 to the last update. His is a list of the updates so far ... you could be 4 updates behind.
Version 1507 Version 1511 (November Update) Version 1607 (Anniversary Update) Version 1703 (Creators Update) Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) Version 1803 (April 2018 Update) Version 1809 (October 2018 Update) Version 1903 (May 2019 Update) Version 1909 (November 2019 Update)
An easy way to get the updates without using the Windows Update in the Settings section is to go here and download the update tool. Just be ready for a 3 GB downlaod and maybe 3 hrs install ... maybe.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
I think I missed something here? With all the comments about FoxTelem, I'm not sure. Does this mean with the I/Q output, the IC-9700 can do 9600 baud packet/telemetry? (Curious because this was kind of a deal killer for me.)
Cathryn, If someone wrote the software to use it you could receive 9600 packet from the IF output but you have no way of sending the reply as a ic-9700 will not transmit 9600. Talking to Icom (many times) they feel that 9600 is a dead mode but somehow RTTY on VHF/UHF is not...
73 Kevin WA7FWF
On 10/31/2019 13:37, Cathryn Mataga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I think I missed something here? With all the comments about FoxTelem, I'm not sure. Does this mean with the I/Q output, the IC-9700 can do 9600 baud packet/telemetry? (Curious because this was kind of a deal killer for me.)
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Even if we use an external modem into the ACC port? Is it a signal width limit problem?
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Cathryn, If someone wrote the software to use it you could receive 9600 packet from the IF output but you have no way of sending the reply as a ic-9700 will not transmit 9600. Talking to Icom (many times) they feel that 9600 is a dead mode but somehow RTTY on VHF/UHF is not...
73 Kevin WA7FWF
On 10/31/2019 13:37, Cathryn Mataga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I think I missed something here? With all the comments about FoxTelem, I'm not sure. Does this mean with the I/Q output, the IC-9700 can do 9600 baud packet/telemetry? (Curious because this was kind of a deal killer for me.)
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Charles, A bunch of us spent a long time trying to get this to work, I tried with my kantronics 9612. Icom was asked many times where the bottleneck is, hardware? firmware? and they refuse to say one way or the other. Their only answer has been that "we" should have seen them removing 9600 packet support from the mobile market so it should have been no big surprise that they removed it from the 9700.
73 Kevin WA7FWF
On 10/31/2019 16:13, Charles Reiche wrote:
Even if we use an external modem into the ACC port? Is it a signal width limit problem?
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 6:01 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Cathryn, If someone wrote the software to use it you could receive 9600 packet from the IF output but you have no way of sending the reply as a ic-9700 will not transmit 9600. Talking to Icom (many times) they feel that 9600 is a dead mode but somehow RTTY on VHF/UHF is not... 73 Kevin WA7FWF On 10/31/2019 13:37, Cathryn Mataga via AMSAT-BB wrote: > I think I missed something here? With all the comments about FoxTelem, > I'm not sure. Does this mean with the I/Q output, the IC-9700 can do > 9600 baud packet/telemetry? (Curious because this was kind of a deal > killer for me.) > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. > Opinions expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views > of AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org <mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org>. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Oh well, honestly, saves me $2000, not being tempted to buy 'another radio I don't absolutely need.' Think I'll just be extra gentle with my TS2000x, and maybe put the money towards an HF radio with a scope.
On 10/31/2019 2:55 PM, Kevin via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Cathryn, If someone wrote the software to use it you could receive 9600 packet from the IF output but you have no way of sending the reply as a ic-9700 will not transmit 9600. Talking to Icom (many times) they feel that 9600 is a dead mode but somehow RTTY on VHF/UHF is not...
73 Kevin WA7FWF
On 10/31/2019 13:37, Cathryn Mataga via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I think I missed something here? With all the comments about FoxTelem, I'm not sure. Does this mean with the I/Q output, the IC-9700 can do 9600 baud packet/telemetry? (Curious because this was kind of a deal killer for me.)
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Well for grins I upgraded to win 10 pro 10.0.18362, and upgraded to java jre1.8.0_231 64 bit previously it was 32 bit
No change, taking a large wav that should get about 100 frames I still get zero with all 3 decoders and trying many different settings.
Scratching my head...
73 Kevin
On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Kevin,
I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin <via AMSAT-BB <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p < <Chris, < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <1.07y to verify it is good. < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 < <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav < <Thanks <Kevin wa7fwf < <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read into <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a sound <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? Try <to <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set FoxTelem <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> thanks <> Chris <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that I'm <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <rate <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <>> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <>> <>> -----Original Message----- <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin via <>> AMSAT-BB <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <>> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <>> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <>> <>> Thanks <>> Kevin <>> <>> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc instead. <>>> <>>> 73, <>>> <>>> Alan <>>> <>>> WA4SCA <>>> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> Hi All, <>>> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, dropping <>>> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <>>> <>>> 73 <>>> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <>>> <>>> _______________________________________________ <>>> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>>> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <>>> Opinions expressed <>>> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <>>> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <>> program! <>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <> < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT- <NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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OK, found a problem. The output of a 9700 is not a true IQ signal, but you get two "humps" on foxtelem a left and right "hump". if you are decoding from the "left" side you get zero decodes, decode from the "right" side and it decodes from a wav.
Now I need a sat with a live signal.
73 Kevin
On 10/31/2019 03:33, Alan via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Kevin,
I just played your recording through 1.08p. Recovered 25 frames, which is about what you expect. More evidence there is another variable involved.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin <via AMSAT-BB <Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 22:45 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p < <Chris, < The 9700 outputs a 12khz IF signal that is passed to the internal <codec and then out the USB port and windows treats it as a soundcard. < I used audacity to create about a 2min file and then read it in on <1.07y to verify it is good. < I uploaded it to dropbox and the link is < https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5bya72y8gfskt/fox1.wav?dl=0 < <it was recorded at 48000 and has been saved as a wav < <Thanks <Kevin wa7fwf < <On 10/30/2019 13:59, Chris Thompson via AMSAT-BB wrote: <> I have tried to reproduce this, but I do not have a 9700 so it is hard. So <> far I can not work out what is wrong. <> <> Can someone describe the setup with the 9700? How is the audio read into <> the computer and sent to FoxTelem? Is FoxTelem reading it from a sound <> card? Or what looks like a sound card? <> <> Can someone use Audacity and record some audio for me to test with? Try <to <> record it at the sample rate you use in FoxTelem. e.g. if you set FoxTelem <> to IQ and 48000 samples per second, then set Audacity to 48000 too. <> <> thanks <> Chris <> <> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM jeff griffin via AMSAT-BB < <> amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: <> <>> I'm going to wait for the fix for the 9700. In the meantime I'm now <>> collecting telemetry with my FIAB with a eggbeater antenna setup that I'm <>> going to leave up here for the winter. I'm seeing a much better decode <rate <>> with 1.08p over 1.07y, about 2 to 1. So I'm seeing 1.08 is clearly better <>> then 1.07. Thanks Chris! <>> <>> 73 Jeff kb2m <>> <>> -----Original Message----- <>> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of <Kevin via <>> AMSAT-BB <>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:54 PM <>> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>> <>> Hi Alan and everyone else that replied, <>> <>> Windows Sinc also has zero decodes, tried all decoder modes. <>> <>> for now 1.07y FTW <>> <>> Thanks <>> Kevin <>> <>> <>> On 10/29/2019 23:20, Alan wrote: <>>> I you are using the Raised Cosine decoder, try the Windows Sinc instead. <>>> <>>> 73, <>>> <>>> Alan <>>> <>>> WA4SCA <>>> <>>> *From: *Kevin via AMSAT-BB mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:21 AM <>>> *To: *amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <>>> *Subject: *[amsat-bb] IC-9700 & foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> Hi All, <>>> <>>> Any IC-9700 users out there that have switched to foxtelem 1.08p <>>> <>>> using USB and IQ mode? I see a good eye but get zero decodes, dropping <>>> <>>> back to 1.07y and it all starts working again. <>>> <>>> 73 <>>> <>>> Kevin WA7FWF <>>> <>>> _______________________________________________ <>>> <>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>>> <>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <>>> Opinions expressed <>>> <>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views <>>> of AMSAT-NA. <>>> <>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <>> program! <>>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <>> _______________________________________________ <>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum <available <>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions <>> expressed <>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <>> AMSAT-NA. <>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb <>> <> < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT- <NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite <program! <Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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