One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
You know I don't work every pass every day but it didn't take me long to figure out who you was talking about!
Ryan KD8ATF
On Aug 25, 2016 12:36 PM, "Paul Stoetzer" n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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It's common behavior from the self-proclaimed "grid commander."
His little group has a couple of followers, but I would hope that those that do take a look at this type of behavior. Situations like this show a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:44 PM, ryan woods firefighterryan37@gmail.com wrote:
You know I don't work every pass every day but it didn't take me long to figure out who you was talking about!
Ryan KD8ATF
On Aug 25, 2016 12:36 PM, "Paul Stoetzer" n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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the expedition should keep track of dupes, in situations like this, and if discoverd all qso's from the offending station should be deleted from the logs.
Just my opinion.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/25/2016 11:36 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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I agree with Joe. "Blacklisting" operators who find it necessary to dupe DX over and over is becoming more common practice for DXpeditions now. Good idea in my book.
73, Tucker W4FS
On Aug 25, 2016 12:55 PM, "Joe" nss@mwt.net wrote:
the expedition should keep track of dupes, in situations like this, and if discoverd all qso's from the offending station should be deleted from the logs.
Just my opinion.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/25/2016 11:36 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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It's a touchy subject. Sometimes there are legit reasons such as when the DX didn't log the call correctly. For example, N4UFO had tried in the middle of the night but they reported his call as as U4, not N4. Ultimately it is the DX that sets the rules for their op.
The main reason, in my opinion, to avoid "insurance calls" (dupes) is so that you don't jeopardize someone's chance to make contact with a narrow window. I cannot tell you how many times I have tried to work UT1FG/MM in the middle of the night with a 2 minute window, only to have other stations jabbering with him because they assume nobody else is in the footprint.
It is hard to put ourselves in others' shoes. A little grace doesn't hurt. Some time we might need it ourselves. I know that I do!
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 8/25/2016 11:54, Joe wrote:
the expedition should keep track of dupes, in situations like this, and if discoverd all qso's from the offending station should be deleted from the logs.
Just my opinion.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
Hoi Paul,
Last weekend i heard the same "selfishness" on this site off the ocean. I special event station was activating a lighthouse with a special /p call, but he couldn't come thru on SO-50/AO-85. Some stupid stations didn't even listen, just calling and calling cq, while others are trying to finish a contact. And they just need to make a contact on EVERY pass with the same stations, * times/day, rather then having a new square/station/dxcc/special event in the log. Why? To have 1000 contacts in the logbook, but only with 5 or so different stations? I don't understand what's the fun for them,on doing something like that.
So don't worry, it happens also on EU passes,hi.
Best 73's
Jerry,ON4CJQ
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Paul Stoetzer" n8hm@arrl.net Aan: amsat-bb@amsat.org Verzonden: Donderdag 25 augustus 2016 18:36:45 Onderwerp: Re: [amsat-bb] CY9C Dupes
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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I know that there's any consolation, but here in Europe is exactly the same.
73 Luis EC4TR
2016-08-25 23:54 GMT+02:00 jerry.tuyls@telenet.be:
Hoi Paul,
Last weekend i heard the same "selfishness" on this site off the ocean. I special event station was activating a lighthouse with a special /p call, but he couldn't come thru on SO-50/AO-85. Some stupid stations didn't even listen, just calling and calling cq, while others are trying to finish a contact. And they just need to make a contact on EVERY pass with the same stations, * times/day, rather then having a new square/station/dxcc/special event in the log. Why? To have 1000 contacts in the logbook, but only with 5 or so different stations? I don't understand what's the fun for them,on doing something like that.
So don't worry, it happens also on EU passes,hi.
Best 73's
Jerry,ON4CJQ
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Paul Stoetzer" n8hm@arrl.net Aan: amsat-bb@amsat.org Verzonden: Donderdag 25 augustus 2016 18:36:45 Onderwerp: Re: [amsat-bb] CY9C Dupes
At some point, naming names is required:
K4FEG is now on his third QSO for the pass, and fifth overall on FO-29.
Such selfishness is a poor reflection on a person's character.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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A lot of stations were heard making good contacts. I uploaded my recording to SoundCloud:
https://soundcloud.com/w5pfg/cy9c-dxpedition-st-paul-island
They're going to focus on some cross-continent passes and into Europe.
Good luck.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 8/25/2016 11:33, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
One well-known satellite operator has now been heard working them four times over two FO-29 passes. This is not necessary and reduces the opportunity for others to work them, especially those on the fringe of coverage.
DXpedition operators frown upon excessive dupes. Let's try to refrain from working them more than once!
73,
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