Re: Probably a silly idea...
Hi Ed / Dave / Group.
It seems a very long time ago now, but in the dim and distant pass ESA approved a plan to have a permanent amateur station installed inside the European Columbus module.
As a European (Well, on a little island over here) I'm almost embarrassed to mention this because having spent a lot of contributors money...and a lot of ESA's money on some very nice antennas, the organisers of this project seem to have gone into hibernation.
Occasionally, you hear rumours of plans and rumours of rumours but the reality probably is that they don't have the ability to do the job. - I always think of the scene from Life of Brian where small ineffective groups sit around plotting the overthrow of the Romans and just have endless meetings.
Sad.
Very sad.
David G0MRF
In a message dated 18/01/2012 21:04:43 GMT Standard Time, kl7uw@acsalaska.net writes:
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005, however, it was returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there may be frequency coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations already on the
ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm are ? I believe it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility (EF) with the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly idea... To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
This is probably a silly idea but who knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but with a short life. The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform, of course I know how difficult is to install inside it new radios and antennas for cross-repeaters, but how difficult is really to take a small box and firmly attach it to some low risk part of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its own power solar cells and antennas and the ISS is just the carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not difficult, if the astronauts made a "hand launch" with ARISSat-1/KEDR why can not them just hold it with latches in a low risk part of the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk we can just design a simple system capable of work only in sun light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just ignore it, if not, well who knows, may be some day an astronaut attach an small satellite in the ISS side....
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Thanks David,
The latest I heard was that AMSAT-Italy was working on a transponder and the HamTV for Columbus. Maybe someone can get in touch with Gaston Bertels, ON4WF (ARISS Europe) or whoever runs AMSAT-It and see what the status is.
73, Stefan VE4NSA
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM, G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
Hi Ed / Dave / Group.
It seems a very long time ago now, but in the dim and distant pass ESA approved a plan to have a permanent amateur station installed inside the European Columbus module.
As a European (Well, on a little island over here) I'm almost embarrassed to mention this because having spent a lot of contributors money...and a lot of ESA's money on some very nice antennas, the organisers of this project seem to have gone into hibernation.
Occasionally, you hear rumours of plans and rumours of rumours but the reality probably is that they don't have the ability to do the job. - I always think of the scene from Life of Brian where small ineffective groups sit around plotting the overthrow of the Romans and just have endless meetings.
Sad.
Very sad.
David G0MRF
In a message dated 18/01/2012 21:04:43 GMT Standard Time, kl7uw@acsalaska.net writes:
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005, however, it was returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there may be frequency coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations already on the
ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm are ? I believe it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility (EF) with the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly idea... To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
> This is probably a silly idea but who knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but with a short life. The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform, of course I know how difficult is to install inside it new radios and antennas for cross-repeaters, but how difficult is really to take a small box and firmly attach it to some low risk part of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its own power solar cells and antennas and the ISS is just the carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not difficult, if the astronauts made a "hand launch" with ARISSat-1/KEDR why can not them just hold it with latches in a low risk part of the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk we can just design a simple system capable of work only in sun light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just ignore it, if not, well who knows, may be some day an astronaut attach an small satellite in the ISS side....
>
73, Raydel, CM2ESP Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece la Federacion de Radioaficionados de Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el cumplimiento de los objetivos de la organizacion y su politica informativa. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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David, there is a packet radio station operating on 437.550 MHz in the Columbus module, see
UHF Station on ISS Columbus module http://www.uk.amsat.org/2472
Also the following from the AMSAT News Sevice (ANS) a couple of week ago:
+ Hardware proposal regarding the installation of a new Kenwood D710 radio in the Columbus module.
+ Hardware proposal for new power supply for ISS-Ham operations in the Columbus module.
+ Ongoing work with ARISS-Europe, AMSAT-Italy, ESA, and Kayser-Italia for implementation of the HAMTV - Digital ATV with S-band downlink from the Columbus Module. S-band ATV equipment would be required at schools for use in video ARISS contacts.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Thu, 19/1/12, G0MRF@aol.com G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
From: G0MRF@aol.com G0MRF@aol.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Probably a silly idea... To: kl7uw@acsalaska.net, amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Thursday, 19 January, 2012, 20:36 Hi Ed / Dave / Group.
It seems a very long time ago now, but in the dim and distant pass ESA approved a plan to have a permanent amateur station installed inside the European Columbus module.
As a European (Well, on a little island over here) I'm almost embarrassed to mention this because having spent a lot of contributors money...and a lot of ESA's money on some very nice antennas, the organisers of this project seem to have gone into hibernation.
Occasionally, you hear rumours of plans and rumours of rumours but the reality probably is that they don't have the ability to do the job. - I always think of the scene from Life of Brian where small ineffective groups sit around plotting the overthrow of the Romans and just have endless meetings.
Sad.
Very sad.
David G0MRF
In a message dated 18/01/2012 21:04:43 GMT Standard Time, kl7uw@acsalaska.net writes:
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005,
however, it was
returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there
may be frequency
coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations
already on the ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm
are ? I believe
it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility
(EF) with
the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu
wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly
idea...
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
> This is probably a silly idea but who
knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but
with a short life.
The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform,
of course I know
how difficult is to install inside it new
radios and
antennas for cross-repeaters, but how
difficult is really to
take a small box and firmly attach it to
some low risk part
of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its
own power solar
cells and antennas and the ISS is just the
carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not
difficult, if
the astronauts made a "hand launch" with
ARISSat-1/KEDR why
can not them just hold it with latches in a
low risk part of
the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk
we can just design
a simple system capable of work only in sun
light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just
ignore it, if not,
well who knows, may be some day an
astronaut attach an small
satellite in the ISS side....
>
73, Raydel, CM2ESP Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el
servicio de correo
electronico que ofrece la Federacion de
Radioaficionados de
Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el
cumplimiento de los
objetivos de la organizacion y su politica
informativa. La
persona que envia este correo asume el
compromiso de usar el
servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las
regulaciones
establecidas.
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