So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
I still don't see a 26th timeline as I thought that might give me a clue on why this weekend was an epic failure (I mean I couldn't even hear the digipeater at times).
-aps (KC2ZSX)
This may open a can of worms-However, I'd like to see a "real" ham on the ISS. We all know what that means. Granted they all take the tech license to be "official" amateur radio operators. However we don't see the "passion" in the belly to get on the air. There have been a few up there that had that and it was noticable.
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
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From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:08:17 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
I still don't see a 26th timeline as I thought that might give me a clue on why this weekend was an epic failure (I mean I couldn't even hear the digipeater at times).
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Bob. The odds of getting a "real ham" are pretty small in my view. There will be the occasional person who is either interested in the effort pre launch or gets that way due to circumstances aboard the station, but that's going to be rare particularly as long as the folks doing the flying are "NASA employees".
What I would hope for more is a real ham setup on ISS. something other then a digi or a psuedo FM bird. A real transponder would be nice.
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO (Life member AMSAT ARRL NARS)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:47:31 +0000 From: w7lrd@comcast.net To: pisymbol@gmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
This may open a can of worms-However, I'd like to see a "real" ham on the ISS. We all know what that means. Granted they all take the tech license to be "official" amateur radio operators. However we don't see the "passion" in the belly to get on the air. There have been a few up there that had that and it was noticable.
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
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From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:08:17 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
I still don't see a 26th timeline as I thought that might give me a clue on why this weekend was an epic failure (I mean I couldn't even hear the digipeater at times).
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I can only imagine a ham nut messing around on 20cw on the other side of the planet doing 17,000mph. The mind wanders!
73 Bob W7LRD
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Bob. The odds of getting a "real ham" are pretty small in my view. There will be the occasional person who is either interested in the effort pre launch or gets that way due to circumstances aboard the station, but that's going to be rare particularly as long as the folks doing the flying are "NASA employees".
What I would hope for more is a real ham setup on ISS. something other then a digi or a psuedo FM bird. A real transponder would be nice.
Robert G. Oler WB5MZO (Life member AMSAT ARRL NARS)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:47:31 +0000 From: w7lrd@comcast.net To: pisymbol@gmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
This may open a can of worms-However, I'd like to see a "real" ham on the ISS. We all know what that means. Granted they all take the tech license to be "official" amateur radio operators. However we don't see the "passion" in the belly to get on the air. There have been a few up there that had that and it was noticable.
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
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From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:08:17 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
I still don't see a 26th timeline as I thought that might give me a clue on why this weekend was an epic failure (I mean I couldn't even hear the digipeater at times).
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
-aps (KC2ZSX)
Hi Alexander, KC2ZSX
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
Why NASA should vaste money for how silly she is a FD weekend radio activity playing with us from the ISS ?
The astronauts are already tired with the same questions infinitely repeated with the ISS contacts with the schools and NASA is a very serious space organization.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
My taxes helped put them there, why not! I mean they're there anyway.
73 Boib W7LRD
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:08 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
-aps (KC2ZSX)
Hi Alexander, KC2ZSX
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
Why NASA should vaste money for how silly she is a FD weekend radio activity playing with us from the ISS ?
The astronauts are already tired with the same questions infinitely repeated with the ISS contacts with the schools and NASA is a very serious space organization.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS in the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not because he was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing it. I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious lack of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as enthustiastic as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So, if their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of their job assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited transmissions) which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
Chuck, KM9U
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS in the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not because he was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing it. I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious lack of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as enthustiastic as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So, if their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of their job assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited transmissions) which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
This goes back to a comment I made earlier and was chastised for. However if by some freak of nature what if there was a "real" ham up there. Imagine chassing the ISS on 20cw on the other side of the world. Propagation characteristics, beam pointing, doppler correction, what grid square are they over, pile ups, etc, the head explodes!
73 Bob W7LRD
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From: "Alexander Sack" pisymbol@gmail.com To: "KM9U" arskm9u@gmail.com Cc: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:57:53 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS in the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not because he was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing it. I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious lack of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as enthustiastic as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So, if their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of their job assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited transmissions) which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Wasn't going to comment, but oh heck!
I think Alex has it pegged. I see a lot of Astronauts getting their ham license but figure that is probably NASA "encouraged" mainly for PR purposes and secondarily for emergency comms if the main systems fail. It is likely many Astronauts are not particularly interested in ham radio, per se. I'll admit making your first contact with either the shuttle or ISS is a thrill and fun, but the opportunities may be not that frequent, nor should any ham expect it to be so. ----------------------------------------------------- Now on a related subject, I would really favor Amsat approaching NASA for the installation of a linear transponder (say Mode UV) unit to be attached to the exterior of ISS (with remote shut-off for ISS critical operations). This may be a better option to finding/paying for launch opportunities for free orbiting linear-transponder satellites. Since there is a regular launch schedule to resupply ISS and no propellant/engine would be involved it would be a benign cargo item.
I do not underestimate the difficulty quotient for such a mission, but we do have ham gear installed on ISS, and have done Suitsat and ARISSat with NASA and ISS.
If no launch is forthcoming for P3E perhaps the backup unit (sans propellant system and solar panels) could be considered? It would be in a Leo orbit but at least it would provide a long-term alternative to FM Leos.
Something to chew on and consider?
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 05:57 AM 6/29/2011, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS in the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not because he was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing it. I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious lack of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as
enthustiastic
as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So, if their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of their job assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited transmissions) which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Hi Ed, KL7UW
I agree completely with you on a hi power continuously operating U/V linear transponder on board of the ISS may be 100 KHz BW because it can be used as well for emergency communications on the earth without intervention of the astronauts.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:24 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Wasn't going to comment, but oh heck!
I think Alex has it pegged. I see a lot of Astronauts getting their ham license but figure that is probably NASA "encouraged" mainly for PR purposes and secondarily for emergency comms if the main systems fail. It is likely many Astronauts are not particularly interested in ham radio, per se. I'll admit making your first contact with either the shuttle or ISS is a thrill and fun, but the opportunities may be not that frequent, nor should any ham expect it to be so.
Now on a related subject, I would really favor Amsat approaching NASA for the installation of a linear transponder (say Mode UV) unit to be attached to the exterior of ISS (with remote shut-off for ISS critical operations). This may be a better option to finding/paying for launch opportunities for free orbiting linear-transponder satellites. Since there is a regular launch schedule to resupply ISS and no propellant/engine would be involved it would be a benign cargo
item.
I do not underestimate the difficulty quotient for such a mission, but we do have ham gear installed on ISS, and have done Suitsat and ARISSat with NASA and ISS.
If no launch is forthcoming for P3E perhaps the backup unit (sans propellant system and solar panels) could be considered? It would be in a Leo orbit but at least it would provide a long-term alternative to FM Leos.
Something to chew on and consider?
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 05:57 AM 6/29/2011, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one
pass?
I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS
in
the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not
because he
was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing
it.
I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious
lack
of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as
enthustiastic
as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been
silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a
10
minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the
ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So,
if
their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of
their job
assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited
transmissions)
which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station
licensee
or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications
on
behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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I also agree. We do not require the astronauts to be in the loop. We need the communications port, particularly one that can be repaired or replaced and can be reprogrammed from Earth. The astronauts are most assuredly encouraged to participate. NASA can blank the output during critical times.
John WA4WDL
-------------------------------------------------- From: "i8cvs" domenico.i8cvs@tin.it Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:42 PM To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org; "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Hi Ed, KL7UW
I agree completely with you on a hi power continuously operating U/V linear transponder on board of the ISS may be 100 KHz BW because it can be used as well for emergency communications on the earth without intervention of the astronauts.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:24 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Wasn't going to comment, but oh heck!
I think Alex has it pegged. I see a lot of Astronauts getting their ham license but figure that is probably NASA "encouraged" mainly for PR purposes and secondarily for emergency comms if the main systems fail. It is likely many Astronauts are not particularly interested in ham radio, per se. I'll admit making your first contact with either the shuttle or ISS is a thrill and fun, but the opportunities may be not that frequent, nor should any ham expect it to be so.
Now on a related subject, I would really favor Amsat approaching NASA for the installation of a linear transponder (say Mode UV) unit to be attached to the exterior of ISS (with remote shut-off for ISS critical operations). This may be a better option to finding/paying for launch opportunities for free orbiting linear-transponder satellites. Since there is a regular launch schedule to resupply ISS and no propellant/engine would be involved it would be a benign cargo
item.
I do not underestimate the difficulty quotient for such a mission, but we do have ham gear installed on ISS, and have done Suitsat and ARISSat with NASA and ISS.
If no launch is forthcoming for P3E perhaps the backup unit (sans propellant system and solar panels) could be considered? It would be in a Leo orbit but at least it would provide a long-term alternative to FM Leos.
Something to chew on and consider?
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 05:57 AM 6/29/2011, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one
pass?
I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS
in
the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not
because he
was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing
it.
I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious
lack
of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as
enthustiastic
as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been
silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a
10
minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the
ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So,
if
their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of
their job
assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited
transmissions)
which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station
licensee
or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications
on
behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Ed
Something like this http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ would be perfect to "plant" on the ISS
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
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From: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24:12 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Wasn't going to comment, but oh heck!
I think Alex has it pegged. I see a lot of Astronauts getting their ham license but figure that is probably NASA "encouraged" mainly for PR purposes and secondarily for emergency comms if the main systems fail. It is likely many Astronauts are not particularly interested in ham radio, per se. I'll admit making your first contact with either the shuttle or ISS is a thrill and fun, but the opportunities may be not that frequent, nor should any ham expect it to be so. ----------------------------------------------------- Now on a related subject, I would really favor Amsat approaching NASA for the installation of a linear transponder (say Mode UV) unit to be attached to the exterior of ISS (with remote shut-off for ISS critical operations). This may be a better option to finding/paying for launch opportunities for free orbiting linear-transponder satellites. Since there is a regular launch schedule to resupply ISS and no propellant/engine would be involved it would be a benign cargo item.
I do not underestimate the difficulty quotient for such a mission, but we do have ham gear installed on ISS, and have done Suitsat and ARISSat with NASA and ISS.
If no launch is forthcoming for P3E perhaps the backup unit (sans propellant system and solar panels) could be considered? It would be in a Leo orbit but at least it would provide a long-term alternative to FM Leos.
Something to chew on and consider?
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 05:57 AM 6/29/2011, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one pass? I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS in the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not because he was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing it. I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious lack of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as
enthustiastic
as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a 10 minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So, if their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of their job assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited transmissions) which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Hi Bob, W7LRD
is good as well for any future AMSAT satellite !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob- W7LRD" w7lrd@comcast.net To: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net Cc: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:54 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Ed
Something like this http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ would be perfect to "plant"
on the ISS
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward R. Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24:12 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [AMSAT-BB] ISS, what the heck happened?
Wasn't going to comment, but oh heck!
I think Alex has it pegged. I see a lot of Astronauts getting their ham license but figure that is probably NASA "encouraged" mainly for PR purposes and secondarily for emergency comms if the main systems fail. It is likely many Astronauts are not particularly interested in ham radio, per se. I'll admit making your first contact with either the shuttle or ISS is a thrill and fun, but the opportunities may be not that frequent, nor should any ham expect it to be so.
Now on a related subject, I would really favor Amsat approaching NASA for the installation of a linear transponder (say Mode UV) unit to be attached to the exterior of ISS (with remote shut-off for ISS critical operations). This may be a better option to finding/paying for launch opportunities for free orbiting linear-transponder satellites. Since there is a regular launch schedule to resupply ISS and no propellant/engine would be involved it would be a benign cargo
item.
I do not underestimate the difficulty quotient for such a mission, but we do have ham gear installed on ISS, and have done Suitsat and ARISSat with NASA and ISS.
If no launch is forthcoming for P3E perhaps the backup unit (sans propellant system and solar panels) could be considered? It would be in a Leo orbit but at least it would provide a long-term alternative to FM Leos.
Something to chew on and consider?
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 05:57 AM 6/29/2011, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM, KM9U arskm9u@gmail.com wrote:
So I think everyone read the announcement ARRL made before FD. Now that FD weekend is at an end, can someone explain to me why NASA couldn't let the astronauts have 10 minutes on the radio for one
pass?
I mean were they having issues with the radio itself?
During Expedition 24/25, Col. Wheelock made many contacts from the ISS
in
the evenings and on weekends during his free time. This was not
because he
was "scheduled" to be the radio, but rather because he enjoyed doing
it.
I don't believe we can blame NASA for the current crew members obvious
lack
of interest in Amateur Radio. Had Col. Wheelock (or someone as
enthustiastic
as he) been aboard the ISS on FD, NA1SS would likely not have been
silent.
Have you never make a calculation or an estimation on how it costs a
10
minutes of an astronaut activity all costs including on board of the
ISS ?
I don't buy it.
What I do believe is the current crew isn't that interested in making contacts with amateur radio operators. That's fine. Operating the radio outside the educational outreach program is ertainly not part of their mission. I will just have to be more patient and hope someone gets the ham bug up there during some mission and starts to make contacts. I can wait.
I DO want to state again I think it behooves NASA and the whole space program to try to get someone on that radio like a Col Wheelock (doesn't have to be as frequent as Col Wheelock) to generate the enthusiasm and excitement for the ISS and the whole space program among hams. My 2 cents.
This brings up an interesting thought. The astronauts receive monetary compensation for performing their duties while employed by NASA. So,
if
their employer schedules them to operate amateur radio as part of
their job
assignment, would this not violate Part 97.113 (Prohibited
transmissions)
which specifically prohibits "Communications in which the station
licensee
or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications
on
behalf of an employer". Now, DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD! It is just a question.
There is no pecuniary interest involved as I see it.
-aps (KC2ZSX)
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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