Radio amateur calling protocol
The answer to all of these ridiculous arguments on calling protocol is, of course, quit building FM voice 2 user satellites, like AO51.
AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and still don't today.
Blame those that encouraged and built AO51....
A lot of us voiced our disapproval at the time it was proposed, mostly for that very reason....and lost...
Why was it built??
73, Dave, WB6LLO [email protected]
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
My .02 about why it was built. The Powers That Be wanted something that could be built relatively cheap, and take advantage of what rides were available. I'm not real happy with newcomers being introduced to a flying repeater as "Satellite Operation" either, but at least *something* got launched in a timely manner. And like you, I'm pulling for another HEO linear bird! 73, Jim KQ6EA
--- Dave Guimont [email protected] wrote:
The answer to all of these ridiculous arguments on calling protocol is, of course, quit building FM voice 2 user satellites, like AO51.
AO7, is what, 25 years old, none of those problems existed there, and still don't today.
Blame those that encouraged and built AO51....
A lot of us voiced our disapproval at the time it was proposed, mostly for that very reason....and lost...
Why was it built??
73, Dave, WB6LLO [email protected] Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...
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...quit building FM voice 2 user satellites... [on] AO7 none of those problems existed...
Yes, and hardly anyone uses it...
Why was [AO51] built??
Because lots of people like to use it from their mobiles, and their HT's and it is a great way to get into satellites with innexpensive radios that everyone has.
Disagree: I learn....
There are lots of aspects to the ham radio hobby. Many people like different things. Those who like AO51 like it and it is a great assset for them. Those who like AO7 use it. There is no need to try to force all users to like only one aspect of Amateur Satellites. But one thing is certain, we need to reach out to more ham radio operators and get them to appreciate how easy it is to communicate via satelites. And every single one of them has an FM radio.
Bob, WB4APR
At 02:23 AM 2/27/2008, Robert Bruninga wrote:
...quit building FM voice 2 user satellites... [on] AO7 none of those problems existed...
Yes, and hardly anyone uses it...
Why was [AO51] built??
Because lots of people like to use it from their mobiles, and their HT's and it is a great way to get into satellites with innexpensive radios that everyone has.
This is more of an issue in the lesser populated parts of the world. The number of QSOs I've had on the linear birds that weren't pre-arranged with another local is very small. The majority date back to the days of RS-10 (now there's a bird I miss). Other than that, I can recall a QSO on FO-29 during a demonstration at a hamfest. FM, OTOH, gets a reasonable response, though I have had SO-50 and UO-14 to myself on late night passes. Think I even managed AO-51 to myself on one occasion. ;)
What's wrong with the linear birds?
Mode A - there's nothing regular there. Mode A also has the disadvantage that the 2m uplink must be tuned, when operating under manual control. Unfortunately, a lot of older 2m SSB radios will not tune while transmitting, which makes the operating technique fiddly.
Mode B orJ - UHF SSB gear is still not that common. Those that can afford to regularly update their gear, and those who are VHF/UHF weak signal operators will have the necessary gear, but the rest of us don't have it. For a LEO, it's not enough incentive to upgrade. For a HEO, that's a different ball game.
FOr me, there are 2 kinds of satellites that are likely to be worthwhile chasing - FM LEOs and linear HEOs. Where is data? Well, I'm not much one for low speed data, it's not really my cup of tea at this time, though obviously, data birds do serve a useful purpose too.
Disagree: I learn....
There are lots of aspects to the ham radio hobby. Many people like different things. Those who like AO51 like it and it is a great assset for them. Those who like AO7 use it. There is no need to try to force all users to like only one aspect of Amateur Satellites. But one thing is certain, we need to reach out to more ham radio operators and get them to appreciate how easy it is to communicate via satelites. And every single one of them has an FM radio.
Agreed, most are blown away when they find out it IS easy :)
73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
Tony Langdon wrote:
This is more of an issue in the lesser populated parts of the world. The number of QSOs I've had on the linear birds that weren't pre-arranged with another local is very small. The majority date back to the days of RS-10 (now there's a bird I miss). Other than that, I can recall a QSO on FO-29 during a demonstration at a hamfest. FM, OTOH, gets a reasonable response, though I have had SO-50 and UO-14 to myself on late night passes. Think I even managed AO-51 to myself on one occasion. ;)
Tony Langdon gives a false impression of current activity in this part of the world (VK/ZL). There is daily activity on AO-51, VO-52 AO-07 (Both modes) AO-16 and to a lesser extent SO-50. In the past six months I have had almost 500 satellite QSOs almost equally spread across the above and none were pre-arranged!
Alan Cresswell ZL2BX
At 09:57 AM 2/27/2008, Alan Cresswell wrote:
Tony Langdon gives a false impression of current activity in this part of the world (VK/ZL). There is daily activity on AO-51, VO-52 AO-07 (Both modes) AO-16 and to a lesser extent SO-50. In the past six months I have had almost 500 satellite QSOs almost equally spread across the above and none were pre-arranged!
Must be a bit of a resurgence. I used to try RS-12/13 when it was active, and never got a random QSO on the bird. I know I was getting in, as I could hear my own downlink quite clearly.
The FM birds certainly have always been active (with the exception of those occasional late night passes - I'm talking 11PM - 2AM local time). ISS was "standing room only" when I tried it the other week. AO-16 is a whole new ball game. Unfortunately, anything with UHF SSB is not feasible for me at this point in time. :( VHF SSB I can do (I have 2m all mode capability). AO-7 I haven't tried, mostly haven't got round to it, plus having a 50/50 chance (assuming a random distribution of modes) of it being workable for me (I can only do Mode A on SSB currently).
Thanks for the update BTW.
73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
I remember a recent Journal article about a cardboard model of AO-51 and the first thing thing that came to my mind was that it would be the perfect gift for some of the folks who constantly grouse about FM sats. They could hang it in their shack and throw darts at it. ;-) Seriously though, I want an HEO bird up there as much as everyone else does and I never even had the privledge of working AO-40. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy working FM sats. We've got what we've got and until P3E we just have to live with it. I was greatly saddened to see FO-29 take a turn for the worse. I mean , things could be a lot worse, we could have nothing up there. 73, Michael, W4HIJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
...quit building FM voice 2 user satellites... [on] AO7 none of those problems existed...
Yes, and hardly anyone uses it...
Why was [AO51] built??
Because lots of people like to use it from their mobiles, and their HT's and it is a great way to get into satellites with innexpensive radios that everyone has.
Disagree: I learn....
There are lots of aspects to the ham radio hobby. Many people like different things. Those who like AO51 like it and it is a great assset for them. Those who like AO7 use it. There is no need to try to force all users to like only one aspect of Amateur Satellites. But one thing is certain, we need to reach out to more ham radio operators and get them to appreciate how easy it is to communicate via satelites. And every single one of them has an FM radio.
Bob, WB4APR
Thanks Michael.
The cardboard model is still being worked on. Will be available soon. I actually have it hanging in my shack and folks love it! The cool thing is that it is a "moving target" for the those throwing darts. Always bouncing back. Energizer bunny stuff. HiHi
73, Stefan VE4NSA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael A. Tondee Sent: February-26-08 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
I remember a recent Journal article about a cardboard model of AO-51 and the
first thing thing that came to my mind was that it would be the perfect gift
for some of the folks who constantly grouse about FM sats. They could hang it in their shack and throw darts at it. ;-) Seriously though, I want an HEO
bird up there as much as everyone else does and I never even had the privledge of working AO-40. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy working FM sats.
We've got what we've got and until P3E we just have to live with it. I was greatly saddened to see FO-29 take a turn for the worse. I mean , things could be a lot worse, we could have nothing up there. 73, Michael, W4HIJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bruninga" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
...quit building FM voice 2 user satellites... [on] AO7 none of those problems existed...
Yes, and hardly anyone uses it...
Why was [AO51] built??
Because lots of people like to use it from their mobiles, and their HT's and it is a great way to get into satellites with innexpensive radios that everyone has.
Disagree: I learn....
There are lots of aspects to the ham radio hobby. Many people like different things. Those who like AO51 like it and it is a great assset for them. Those who like AO7 use it. There is no need to try to force all users to like only one aspect of Amateur Satellites. But one thing is certain, we need to reach out to more ham radio operators and get them to appreciate how easy it is to communicate via satelites. And every single one of them has an FM radio.
Bob, WB4APR
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Hi Stefan, Well I'm definitely interested in having one when it's ready and I for one will not be throwing darts at it. I have some time off from work coming up and I'm hoping to finally finish setting my station back up so I can start throwing some "RF darts" at the real AO-51 and AO-7 and VO-52 as well. I like em all!!! 73, Michael, W4HIJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "'Michael A. Tondee'" [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
Thanks Michael.
The cardboard model is still being worked on. Will be available soon. I actually have it hanging in my shack and folks love it! The cool thing is that it is a "moving target" for the those throwing darts. Always bouncing back. Energizer bunny stuff. HiHi
73, Stefan VE4NSA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael A. Tondee Sent: February-26-08 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Radio amateur calling protocol
I remember a recent Journal article about a cardboard model of AO-51 and the
first thing thing that came to my mind was that it would be the perfect gift
for some of the folks who constantly grouse about FM sats. They could hang it in their shack and throw darts at it. ;-) Seriously though, I want an HEO
bird up there as much as everyone else does and I never even had the privledge of working AO-40. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy working FM sats.
We've got what we've got and until P3E we just have to live with it. I was greatly saddened to see FO-29 take a turn for the worse. I mean , things could be a lot worse, we could have nothing up there. 73, Michael, W4HIJ
Why was [AO51] built??
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