Short Attention Span - YES, just like mine. FRS - Cool idea.

Thanks everyone - Any more ideas?

God Bless

R

W4BUE ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Bruninga To: Mike Sprenger Cc: Rich/wa4bue ; amsat bb Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme

A far less complex and easy to do transmitter hunt is simply bring along a bunch of FRS radios. Put a rubber band and some aluminum foil around one of them to key it and make it very low power (carrier only). With a range only sufficent to barely cover the venue (weak signal at the starting point).

Then teach them HT DFing technique. Body blocking for direction and "quieting" for range. Then turn them loose. THey have the energy to almost raster scan the entire venue if needed. I did this once and they found the radio just fine.

The only weakness of doing this with FRS, is the inability to "remove" the antnna for the final closing in. I solved this by making the hidden transmitter easy to SEE when they got close. AND not like trying to find one in a cornfield where one has to DF to the final 4 feet to even find it.

I have found the attention span of cubscouts to be so short, that they would never finish building a beam... And a beam implies using radios that have antenna connectors (not the FRS they likely already have)... Just a thought.

Bob

On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Mike Sprenger mikesprenger@gmail.com wrote:

Rich,

Cool, to expand on the idea:

With the hidden transmitter hunt, the clues could be voice recording playing out of the hidden transmitter. which they get clues for one phase of their day, then, tell them for the next phase, make this antenna, and hook to handheld, and go find the thing thats been giving instructions...make sure security group nows what you're hiding for a transmitter and don't put it in a piece of Pipe.

For the clues, feed the hidden transmitter with an iPod output with 1 long audio file that loops on the ipod. Record the clue, followed by 1 min of silence, followed by another clue, silence, clue, silence and set that one audio file to to play as a loop feeding the hidden transmitter...

maybe another transmitter with clues on how to make the antenna, where the instruction paper is hidden, etc...

We did the tape measure antennas at the National Scouting Jamboree last summer, effective. 1/2" PVC pipe, tape, and hose clamps, and a piece of coax with BNC on one end.

73 Mike W4UOO

On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Rich/wa4bue richard.siff@verizon.netwrote:

> Great idea. > > This one is clues to answer questions. > > Maybe we can do that too! > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Sprenger mikesprenger@gmail.com > *To:* Rich/wa4bue richard.siff@verizon.net > *Sent:* Sunday, May 25, 2014 5:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme > > If doing a treasure hunt, do you make a Tape measure yagi for 2 meters > with a handheld and search for a small hidden transmitter outside ? > > > > > On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Rich/wa4bue richard.siff@verizon.netwrote: > >> That was over 2 years ago, but I am sure I can find something. Â It might >> take a while. >> >> >> So far we are looking at: >> A short talk >> On The Air QSOs >> RECEIVE WEATHER SAT IN ABSENCE of OSCAR >> A treasure hunt using clues dealing with space history and technology. >> Â That might add up to 2 - 2.5 hours of activities and learning. >> >> >> Now new question???? >> Ideas for CLUES and finds????????? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: gkcarr@go-express.net >> To: "Rich/wa4bue" richard.siff@verizon.net >> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 10:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme >> >> >> Any chance you have a copy that I can borrow? >>> George >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Rich/wa4bue" richard.siff@verizon.net >>> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 06:25 >>> To: gkcarr@go-express.net >>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme >>> >>> Members of our group certified as Boy Scout Merit Badge councilors >>> several >>> years ago but never got called. We are no longer certified. Â We did >>> produce >>> a DVD showing scouts in amateur radio. Â We provided 45 DVDs one for each >>> >>> troop. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: gkcarr@go-express.net >>> To: "Rich/wa4bue" richard.siff@verizon.net >>> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme >>> >>> >>> Not quite related to what you are doing. 5 of us will conduct a 4 hour >>>> class for scouts wishing to achieve the Radio merit badge. 6 times! Yes, >>>> twic a day, two groups, three weeks. We don't know yet how many in each >>>> class! >>>> I am taking the first hour of each and preparing a power point >>>> presentation. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> George >>>> WA5KBH >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Rich/wa4bue" richard.siff@verizon.net >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 13:59 >>>> To: "Mark Spencer" wa8sme@comcast.net, "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@amsat.org >>>> >, >>>> "'Johnson, Debra K1DMJ'" djohnson@arrl.org >>>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme >>>> >>>> WX SAT GREAT IDEA. >>>> >>>> Which one? Â Guess there are more then one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Spencer" wa8sme@comcast.net >>>> To: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org; "'Johnson, Debra K1DMJ'" >>>> djohnson@arrl.org >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:53 AM >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Cub Scout Space Camp Theme >>>> >>>> >>>> Rich, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good question with a bazillion answers. Â It all depends on what the >>>>> venue >>>>> will be. Â Small groups, large groups, are they looking for >>>>> introductory >>>>> >>>>> material or something in depth, will the timing be during a pass, what >>>>> do >>>>> you want to accomplish.lots of things impact what will be presented. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd suggest you look into presenting something that matches a >>>>> requirement >>>>> to >>>>> satisfy an award the scouts can walk away with. Â Perhaps a requirement >>>>> for >>>>> a >>>>> Bear Arrow Point Award. Â I saw major categories for: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Space >>>>> >>>>> Weather >>>>> >>>>> Radio >>>>> >>>>> Electricity >>>>> >>>>> Maps >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Each category has some requirements that could be addressed during your >>>>> presentation. Â In my mind, setting up to take a NOAA satellite pass >>>>> might >>>>> >>>>> fit into a number of these categories (of course it all depends on when >>>>> the >>>>> scouts will be in the area). This would give you connections to all the >>>>> categories listed above. Â You might have the scouts make a model of a >>>>> >>>>> CubeSat and then witness a FunCube pass so they can see the data >>>>> (graphs) >>>>> that are the outcome of the telemetry (interpreting the graphs would be >>>>> pretty heady stuff of a scout camp venue). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In any event, you're going to have your hands full between the venue, >>>>> age, >>>>> time limitation and the bell schedule of the event. Â If all the stars >>>>> >>>>> align >>>>> and there is an appropriate pass, all it will take is for the previous >>>>> presentation to run over, and all your careful planning is out the >>>>> window. >>>>> So a backup plan is in order. Â BE PREPARED I guess is the word of the >>>>> >>>>> day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hope you have a busy time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K4AMG Club has been approached by a CUB SCOUT summer camp >>>>> coordinator. >>>>> >>>>> The camp will be held in Norfolk, VA at an Elk's Lodge on Friday June >>>>> 27th. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Age range of kids are 6 -10 years old. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Looking for suggestions of what to do. Â They are willing to give us 1 >>>>> - 2 >>>>> >>>>> Hours. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Example: Â Toss the satellite where kids stand in a circle and spin a >>>>> 4" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> square box around to show orbit and spin. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So now it is time for your ideas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would like to have your responses in the next 5 days ... what should >>>>> these >>>>> >>>>> kids now ... what can they learn! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rich W4BUE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Spencer, WA8SME >>>>> >>>>> Education and Technology Program Consultant >>>>> >>>>> ARRL, the national association for Amateur RadioTM >>>>> >>>>> 43 Pinelock Dr. >>>>> >>>>> Gales Ferry, CT 06335 >>>>> >>>>> 860-381-5335 >>>>> >>>>> 860-460-1139Â (cell) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> mspencer@arrl.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>>> author. >>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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