Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board. Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following: - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board. Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
The Carnival Liberty is registered in Panama. An IARP will suffice: http://www.arrl.org/iarp
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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Start now. The phone is a nightmare, there. Best bet would be to get someone to go directly and make applicaiton for all.
Used to be 25$ YEARLY. That is if you got your reciprocral licsence this year, then wanted to operate 5 years hence, pay the full amount or be a pirate!
Been there, done that, got the cards.
Be aware that the rules change. A cautious man would visit.
Last I heard, /C6A was copying Dominica's policy. The license was available at customs (presuming prior submisson of docs and $$$ .)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time). You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of a little pre-planning.
Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas). 73 de W0JT/5
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:
Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time). You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of a little pre-planning.
Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas). 73 de W0JT/5
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote: Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time). You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of a little pre-planning.
Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas). 73 de W0JT/5
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean (Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain and Communications Officer were fine with it.
I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer.
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com wrote:
I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote: Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time). You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of a little pre-planning.
Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas). 73 de W0JT/5
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does cost $25.00.
http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm
Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.net
From: Douglas Phelps <dphelps1@ameritech.net>To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under EXCEPTIONS I found the following:
- Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.
Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!
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I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur radio was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an email and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck. Anyways, I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote:
That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean (Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain and Communications Officer were fine with it. I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer. -- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com wrote: I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station. Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids! Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> > It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >> On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of>> a little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under>>> EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>>> expressed>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of>>> AMSAT-NA.>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E%3E _______________________________________________>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb______________________________... via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum availableto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressedare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I too just went on a RCCL cruise in December. Was stated as not allowed on their list and I asked on board and was told no and if found would be confiscated.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 1:28 PM, w4upd updwrb@bristor-assoc.com wrote:
I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur radio was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an email and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck. Anyways, I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote: That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean (Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain and Communications Officer were fine with it. I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer. -- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com wrote: I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station. Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids! Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> > It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >> On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of>> a little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under>>> EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>>> expressed>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of>>> AMSAT-NA.>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E%3E _______________________________________________>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb______________________________... via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum availableto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressedare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I find these recent experiences puzzling in view of the fact that this whole subject was provoked by an earlier thread that stated that Carnival explicitly listed Amateur Radio gear as ALLOWED on board, NOT SUBJECT to CONFISCATION. The last few replies to this thread talk about risk of equipment confiscation. When I saw the earlier post about non-confiscation, I realized that such a policy MIGHT mean only that you could carry such equipment on board the ship, but not a guarantee you could actually use it during the cruise. It seemed particularly odd that the cruise line would publicly state that our 2-way radio equipment is allowed on board and would not be confiscated, because I always assumed that at least that much could be taken for granted. Why? For one, because you can carry ham radio gear aboard a commercial airline even though it is clearly prohibited to actually USE the gear during a commercial flight, and for two, the last time I took a cruise, I saw tons of folks carrying hand-held 2-way radios on board, even though FRS radios (or other "license-free" radios) are not licensed for use outside of the United States. In most cases, I did not see them in use aboard the ship, but instead I saw them being carried to/from a shore excursion (still illegal to use them off-ship unless the port was in US territory). Well, I guess nowadays, you should take nothing for granted. The more written documentation you can provide, the happier the outcome is likelier to be.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM, John via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I too just went on a RCCL cruise in December. Was stated as not allowed on their list and I asked on board and was told no and if found would be confiscated.
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On Jan 14, 2016, at 1:28 PM, w4upd updwrb@bristor-assoc.com wrote:
I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio
was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur radio was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an email and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck. Anyways, I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote: That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean
(Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain and Communications Officer were fine with it.
I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other
documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer.
-- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com
wrote:
I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama
registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask
permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> >
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >> On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of>> a little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under>>> EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>>> expressed>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of>>> AMSAT-NA.>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E%3E _______________________________________________>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb______________________________... via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum availableto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressedare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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These experiences are from Royal Caribbean cruises, not Carnival. Carnival is ham friendly!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:34 PM, John Toscano tosca005@umn.edu wrote:
I find these recent experiences puzzling in view of the fact that this whole subject was provoked by an earlier thread that stated that Carnival explicitly listed Amateur Radio gear as ALLOWED on board, NOT SUBJECT to CONFISCATION. The last few replies to this thread talk about risk of equipment confiscation. When I saw the earlier post about non-confiscation, I realized that such a policy MIGHT mean only that you could carry such equipment on board the ship, but not a guarantee you could actually use it during the cruise. It seemed particularly odd that the cruise line would publicly state that our 2-way radio equipment is allowed on board and would not be confiscated, because I always assumed that at least that much could be taken for granted. Why? For one, because you can carry ham radio gear aboard a commercial airline even though it is clearly prohibited to actually USE the gear during a commercial flight, and for two, the last time I took a cruise, I saw tons of folks carrying hand-held 2-way radios on board, even though FRS radios (or other "license-free" radios) are not licensed for use outside of the United States. In most cases, I did not see them in use aboard the ship, but instead I saw them being carried to/from a shore excursion (still illegal to use them off-ship unless the port was in US territory). Well, I guess nowadays, you should take nothing for granted. The more written documentation you can provide, the happier the outcome is likelier to be.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM, John via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I too just went on a RCCL cruise in December. Was stated as not allowed on their list and I asked on board and was told no and if found would be confiscated.
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On Jan 14, 2016, at 1:28 PM, w4upd updwrb@bristor-assoc.com wrote:
I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio
was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur
radio
was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an
and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck.
Anyways,
I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote: That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean
(Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain
and
Communications Officer were fine with it.
I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other
documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer.
-- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com
wrote:
I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama
registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the
first
officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international
law
the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to
ask
permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO
grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> >
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >>
On
1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and
both
fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All
very
reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy
of>> a
little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items.
Under>>>
EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even
need
to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>>> expressed>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of>>> AMSAT-NA.>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E%3E _______________________________________________>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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I started the thread by saying the HAM Radio is allowed on board and the Carnival rules says that they may also be used on board. Permission to use the radios is in the rules. Yes, we will need to get a temporary license and send a letter to Panama.
From: John Toscano tosca005@umn.edu To: John w1xq@yahoo.com Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I find these recent experiences puzzling in view of the fact that this whole subject was provoked by an earlier thread that stated that Carnival explicitly listed Amateur Radio gear as ALLOWED on board, NOT SUBJECT to CONFISCATION. The last few replies to this thread talk about risk of equipment confiscation. When I saw the earlier post about non-confiscation, I realized that such a policy MIGHT mean only that you could carry such equipment on board the ship, but not a guarantee you could actually use it during the cruise. It seemed particularly odd that the cruise line would publicly state that our 2-way radio equipment is allowed on board and would not be confiscated, because I always assumed that at least that much could be taken for granted. Why? For one, because you can carry ham radio gear aboard a commercial airline even though it is clearly prohibited to actually USE the gear during a commercial flight, and for two, the last time I took a cruise, I saw tons of folks carrying hand-held 2-way radios on board, even though FRS radios (or other "license-free" radios) are not licensed for use outside of the United States. In most cases, I did not see them in use aboard the ship, but instead I saw them being carried to/from a shore excursion (still illegal to use them off-ship unless the port was in US territory). Well, I guess nowadays, you should take nothing for granted. The more written documentation you can provide, the happier the outcome is likelier to be.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM, John via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I too just went on a RCCL cruise in December. Was stated as not allowed on their list and I asked on board and was told no and if found would be confiscated.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 1:28 PM, w4upd updwrb@bristor-assoc.com wrote:
I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio
was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur radio was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an email and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck. Anyways, I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote: That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean
(Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain and Communications Officer were fine with it.
I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other
documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer.
-- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com
wrote:
I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama
registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the first officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international law the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask
permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> >
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >> On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of>> a little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items. Under>>> EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even need to ask permission. Terrific!!!!!>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions>>> expressed>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of>>> AMSAT-NA.>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E%3E _______________________________________________>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb%3E > _______________________________________________> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb______________________________... via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum availableto all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressedare solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA.Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Bear in mind a couple of things. First the website may not be completely updated or accurate. Second and most important, the FINAL WORD aboard a ship rests with the CAPTAIN....even in the corporate world....It can say on their website...bring your KW and your Az/El and feel free to set them up anywhere on the ship you please. When you get there, the Captain, for any reason he deems sufficient, which means he woke up on the wrong side of the bed to he just doesn't understand it, can say NO. Confiscation would come if you are found using it after you are told no. The Captain is also the chief of police, judge and jury aboard the ship he is charged with keeping safe. You may be told by a reservation specialist that you can being and use. Once aboard you may find it different. Just because the Captain of the Carnival Inspiration let Jimmy Ham operate last year does not mean the Captain of the Liberty will.
My suggestion is for the *organizers* to contact Carnival, preferably at a management level, if there is a group booking code, they will know you are a large group, explain AMSAT and that you respectfully request the opportunity to operate low power ( unless you are seriously bringing a KW). Get some names of who you spoke with. When the lead organizer gets aboard, find the Cruise Director and introduce yourself and go through the request to operate again. If they seem reluctant, use the names. Its going to be best to have a single point of contact make the request for the group rather than 200 hams asking the same question over and over. typically you won't get access to the Captain although there are times when he makes a presentation to those interested passengers or you may find him at dinner ( sometimes its not the actual captain but a staff captain) and you may be able to snag him then and ask directly.
I would not operate without actual permission, you may find your gear locked up until the end of the trip.
73, John - AG9D
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net wrote:
I started the thread by saying the HAM Radio is allowed on board and the Carnival rules says that they may also be used on board. Permission to use the radios is in the rules. Yes, we will need to get a temporary license and send a letter to Panama.
From: John Toscano <tosca005@umn.edu>To: John w1xq@yahoo.com Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises
I find these recent experiences puzzling in view of the fact that this whole subject was provoked by an earlier thread that stated that Carnival explicitly listed Amateur Radio gear as ALLOWED on board, NOT SUBJECT to CONFISCATION. The last few replies to this thread talk about risk of equipment confiscation. When I saw the earlier post about non-confiscation, I realized that such a policy MIGHT mean only that you could carry such equipment on board the ship, but not a guarantee you could actually use it during the cruise. It seemed particularly odd that the cruise line would publicly state that our 2-way radio equipment is allowed on board and would not be confiscated, because I always assumed that at least that much could be taken for granted. Why? For one, because you can carry ham radio gear aboard a commercial airline even though it is clearly prohibited to actually USE the gear during a commercial flight, and for two, the last time I took a cruise, I saw tons of folks carrying hand-held 2-way radios on board, even though FRS radios (or other "license-free" radios) are not licensed for use outside of the United States. In most cases, I did not see them in use aboard the ship, but instead I saw them being carried to/from a shore excursion (still illegal to use them off-ship unless the port was in US territory). Well, I guess nowadays, you should take nothing for granted. The more written documentation you can provide, the happier the outcome is likelier to be.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM, John via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I too just went on a RCCL cruise in December. Was stated as not allowed on their list and I asked on board and was told no and if found would be confiscated.
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On Jan 14, 2016, at 1:28 PM, w4upd updwrb@bristor-assoc.com wrote:
I checked with Royal Caribbean and they were very firm that Ham radio
was not allowed on any of their ships regardless what the Captain or comm officer would say. RCCL has it documented in black and white in their brochures and web site of what was not allowed and Ham Radio/Amateur
radio
was specifically mentioned as not being allowed. I then asked via an
and got the same answer. Via email they tried to stipulate interference with the on-board equipment, but unlike a plane there should have been no problem. However, not wanting my equipment confiscated (and TSA was checking at the security checkpoints) I chose not to push my luck.
Anyways,
I was more interested in the cruise than operation from sea.
Reid, W4UPD
On 1/14/2016 1:40 PM, Bryan KL7CN wrote: That aligns with my experience -- in my case with a Royal Caribbean
(Bahamian) ship, the cruise line was very reluctant -- but the Captain
and
Communications Officer were fine with it.
I carried extra printed copies of all such correspondence and other
documentation with me in a binder -- and it came in quite handy when the cruise coordinator for our group panicked and demanded I justify myself before they would let me off the boat. All was well when I produced that copy of the approval e-mail from the Comms Officer.
-- bag Bryan KL7CN/W6 On Jan 14, 2016, at 10:32, Lee Ernstrom lee.ernstrom@rcwilley.com
wrote:
I wanted to operate the sats on the Norwegian Jewel, also of Bahama
registry, so I called Norwegian and asked if it was okay to do so. I was told emphatically NO! So I left my radio gear home last September when we took our Alaskan cruise. However, while on board and talking to the
first
officer, I was told that since the cruise line abides by international
law
the captain would have no problem with allowing the use of my portable satellite station.
Therefore, I concluded that it is better to ask forgiveness than to
ask
permission. The worst thing that could have happened is that my radio equipment was confiscated which I could have recovered at the end of the cruise. I really wanted to be able to activate some of those rare CO
grids!
Lee (Doc) Ernstrom, WA7HQD, C6AQD Sent from my iPad
On Jan 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:> >
It's not Bahamian registry guys, I would recommend that you let Clayton> and the organizers get the specific information out before you jump. > There are 10 months to the cruise, right now. Don't want to miss the> opportunity to hear you on the Foxes! :-)> > Jerry Buxton, NØJY> >> On 1/14/2016 10:11, John Toscano wrote:>> Plus a $10 application fee, and
both
fees cover only one year at a time (in>> case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time).>> You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start>> making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last>> minute. All
very
reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not>> something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and>> you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in>> the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy
of>> a
little pre-planning.>> >> Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas).>> 73 de W0JT/5>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Glen Zook via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:>> >>> Except the fact that all the Carnival ships are of Bahamian registry and>>> that, under international regulations, one must have a Bahamas reciprocal>>> license to operate aboard the ship. Such a license is available but does>>> cost $25.00.>>> >>> >>> http://www.waterwayradio.net/intl_operating.htm%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> >>> Glen, K9STH>>> AMSAT 239 / LM 463>>> Website: http://k9sth.net%3E%3E%3E >>> >>> From: Douglas Phelps dphelps1@ameritech.net>>> To: AMSAT BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:59 PM>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Radio are permitter on Carnival Cruises>>> >>> I just read the complete list of prohibited and confiscated items.
Under>>>
EXCEPTIONS I found the following:>>> >>> - Ham Radios/Amateur Radio Equipment: Permitted to be used on board.>>> Looks like we do not even
need
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This thread is like a weekend afternoon SO-50 pass with everyone talking and nobody listening.
It's already been stated that whoever is heading this is in the process of getting authorization from the cruise line and I'm sure the Captain also so there won't be any wondering when it's time.
Dave-KB1PVH
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Official details about operating on the AMSAT 2016 Symposium at Sea cruise will be published in the AMSAT News Service and AMSAT Journal in the coming months. The Symposium is ten months away.
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 1/16/2016 13:01, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
This thread is like a weekend afternoon SO-50 pass with everyone talking and nobody listening.
It's already been stated that whoever is heading this is in the process of getting authorization from the cruise line and I'm sure the Captain also so there won't be any wondering when it's time.
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Sorry for chiming in...I sailed professionally in the 80's so I have some experience with ship captains. I'll wade through the endless dribble next time and I'll keep in mind that hams never, ever, do anything they aren't supposed to do.
John AG9D
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
This thread is like a weekend afternoon SO-50 pass with everyone talking and nobody listening.
It's already been stated that whoever is heading this is in the process of getting authorization from the cruise line and I'm sure the Captain also so there won't be any wondering when it's time.
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I never sailed professionally, but I do tend to read all posts before making comments so I'm up to speed on the conversation.
Dave-KB1PVH
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I was a deckhand on a 21-foot aluminum skiff based in Ninilchik, Alaska back in the 80s.
I *ALWAYS* did what the captain said. I was a little bit scared of him.
Just FYI.
On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:48, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
I never sailed professionally, but I do tend to read all posts before making comments so I'm up to speed on the conversation.
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Yes sir...thanks for chastising me for being so ignorant. I will try and do better next time so as not to disappoint you.
John AG9D
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I never sailed professionally, but I do tend to read all posts before making comments so I'm up to speed on the conversation.
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Hi Folks,
I have just set AO-73/FUNcube into permanent transponder mode. Plan, as usual, is to switch it back to education mode on Sunday PM UTC.
Enjoy the transponder and have a FUN weekend.
73s Jim G3WGM
Hi!
It has already been established that the Carnival Liberty is flagged in Panama, not the Bahamas. Bahamian licensing is different, and not relevant to the Symposium cruise.
In addition to obtaining the IARP, a letter must also be sent to the Panamanian authorities outlining where and when you would be operating from Panamanian territory. The Radio Club de Panama explains this in English at:
http://www.qsl.net/hp1rcp/PANAMA%20AMATEUR%20RADIO%20LICENSING%20INFORMATION...
Unfortunately there isn't a mailing address, FAX number, or e-mail address for that office. I will send an e-mail to that club, asking for more contact information for that office.
As I mentioned earlier this week, a notification is a lot better than having to file paperwork for a permit from the Panamanian authorities, and especially if a fee is required (like with a Bahamaian amateur license). The IARP should be sufficient for operation in international waters from that ship, or if the ship was in Panamanian territorial waters (it won't be, for this cruise).
When the ship is in US territorial waters, an FCC-issued license or other license/permit recognized by FCC Part 97 (CEPT radio amateur license, CEPT novice radio amateur license, IARP, or licenses from other countries covered by other recpirocal operating agreements with the USA) would cover that. The cruise won't spend much time in US territorial waters, for what it's worth.
Since the Mexican licensing authority is not currently issuing new amateur licenses or permits, there is basically no chance of operating from Mexican territorial waters or from Cozumel unless you already hold a Mexican license or permit. Mexico does not recognize CEPT or IARP arrangements. Even though some countries, like the USA, have a reciprocal- operating agreement with Mexico, this does not allow foreign hams to operate from Mexican territory without first obtaining a Mexican permit. Those permits were not cheap (my last Mexican permit in 2010 cost a total of US$ 125), was valid only for 6 months, and had "strings" (no operating from Mexican islands, no operating in contests or DXpeditions).
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:11 AM, John Toscano tosca005@umn.edu wrote:
Plus a $10 application fee, and both fees cover only one year at a time (in case you plan to take more than one cruise over more than one year's time). You need a General Class license or better to apply. And you need to start making these arrangements a few months ahead of time, mot at the last minute. All very reasonable requirements, but just sayin' that this is not something you can decide to do o a whim without serious planning.Oh, and you are only covered while on board the ship in international waters or in the territorial waters of the Bahamas. Again, very reasonable but worthy of a little pre-planning.
Enjoy your cruise. I have enjouyed several (radioless, alas). 73 de W0JT/5
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