From: orbitjet@hotmail.com To: apbiddle@mailaps.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:34:27 -0500
Hello Alan
" No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking about technical rather than non-specialized social service,"
but not dissimilar to specialized non technical task.
But it doesnt matter...volunteer organizations usually become exactly what the "volunteer" BOD wants them to be and Amsat NA will remain how it is as long as the current BOD remains...and that will only change when the membership demands it. Amsat NA has morphed into a "NASA" sort of organization.
Sorry for the autofill on non sequitur I should have checked in more detail...was trying to finish a report on the 767 I am ferrying a week from now to S2 land. I am going to get to see another AMSAT close up and it will be interesting to observe the differences. 73's RGO
rom: wa4sca@gmail.com
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:27:08 -0500 CC: APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Robert,
Volunteering for AMSAT ...
No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking about technical rather than non-specialized social service, which is the point I was addressing. An important distinction, not a "non inquisitor" sentence. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: R Oler [mailto:orbitjet@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:51 AM To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; 'Tom Lubbers K8TL'; Amsat BB Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
This in many ways mirrors corporate and educational hiring."
A non inquisitor sentence
Volunteering for AMSAT (or the Boy Scouts or insert volunteer group here) is not "hiring" and it certainly is not corporate or educational hiring.
Robert WB5MZO
From: wa4sca@gmail.com To: k8tl@earthlink.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Tom,
It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers. And we have an amazing number working on projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations. However messily, the recruiting process works. However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill, contacting a specific individual, about a specific project. In other cases, the person needing help contacts someone who they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation. This in many ways mirrors corporate and educational hiring.
What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what can I do?" volunteers. As has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass them on to other
volunteers
who may or may not respond. There have been times when the press of other projects, or personal health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks. Also, as Gould has
remarked,
the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working for AMSAT. This is no reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use of people with proven skills and record over "walk ins."
As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US citizens for most areas. As
a
result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing. We have volunteers plowing through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a foreign language. However, we have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable future, or at least made
more
reasonable. The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in other national AMSATs, but it will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.
All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic recruitment running a bit more effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those expressing interest, and at least some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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Robert,
Fly safe. A long trip in a -300ER, and a good chance to think about things.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of R Oler Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:35 PM To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
From: orbitjet@hotmail.com To: apbiddle@mailaps.org Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:34:27 -0500
Hello Alan
" No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking about technical rather than non-specialized social service,"
but not dissimilar to specialized non technical task.
But it doesnt matter...volunteer organizations usually become exactly what the "volunteer" BOD wants them to be and Amsat NA will remain how it is as long as the current BOD remains...and that will only change when the membership demands it. Amsat NA has morphed into a "NASA" sort of organization.
Sorry for the autofill on non sequitur I should have checked in more detail...was trying to finish a report on the 767 I am ferrying a week from now to S2 land. I am going to get to see another AMSAT close up and it will be interesting to observe the differences. 73's RGO
rom: wa4sca@gmail.com
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:27:08 -0500 CC: APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Robert,
Volunteering for AMSAT ...
No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking about technical rather than non-specialized social service, which is the point I was addressing. An important distinction, not a "non inquisitor" sentence. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: R Oler [mailto:orbitjet@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:51 AM To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG; 'Tom Lubbers K8TL'; Amsat BB Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
This in many ways mirrors corporate and educational hiring."
A non inquisitor sentence
Volunteering for AMSAT (or the Boy Scouts or insert volunteer group here) is not "hiring" and it certainly is not corporate or educational hiring.
Robert WB5MZO
From: wa4sca@gmail.com To: k8tl@earthlink.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Tom,
It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers. And we have an amazing number working on projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations. However messily, the recruiting process works. However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill, contacting a specific individual, about a specific project. In other cases, the person needing help contacts someone who they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation. This in many ways mirrors corporate and educational hiring.
What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what can I do?" volunteers.
As
has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass them on to other
volunteers
who may or may not respond. There have been times when the press of other projects, or personal health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks. Also, as Gould has
remarked,
the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working for AMSAT. This is no reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use of people with proven skills and record over "walk ins."
As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US citizens for most areas.
As
a
result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing. We have volunteers plowing through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a foreign language. However,
we
have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable future, or at least made
more
reasonable. The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in other national AMSATs, but
it
will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.
All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic recruitment running a bit
more
effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those expressing interest, and at
least
some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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