Hello all,
I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions:
1) is RS-30 dead or still alive?
2) if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215 or 435.315?
3) what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you.
Hans
BX2ABT
Hans (BX2ABT) wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions:
is RS-30 dead or still alive?
if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215 or
435.315?
- what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you.
Hi Hans -- one place to look is the SatNOGS project (https://satnogs.org). If you haven't come across it before, it's an open-source network of satellite ground stations. There are stations around the world, and a large database of the observations they've taken.
Just to run through how I tracked down observations for RS-30:
- I went to https://db.satnogs.org and searched for "RS-30" and got to this page: https://db.satnogs.org/satellite/32953/
- I clicked the link to "SatNOGS Network Observati}ons": https://db.satnogs.org/satellite/32953/
- That shows a lot of failed observations (in red), so I clicked on the red "X" button underneath "Status" to filter them out. (I mention this because it seems a little counter-intuitive to me.)
- That left this list of observations marked "Good": https://network.satnogs.org/observations/?future=1&good=1&bad=0&...
- For each of those, you can visit the individual observation page and see the waterfall, and listen to the original recordings. There's one from March and one from April.
Now, about those observations...looking at the waterfall, I don't see any sign of CW in them. Observations are marked good or bad by the person who scheduled them, and occasionally mistakes are made. However, you may want to listen to the audio -- I have had observations where CW was faintly audible, even if it didn't show up in the waterfall.
As for whether it's alive -- doesn't look good so far :-( but I'll let folks who know more give a more definitive answer.
Hope that helps!
73, Hugh
Hi, Hans,
The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7).
Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm.
On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions:
is RS-30 dead or still alive?
if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215
or 435.315?
- what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you.
Hans
BX2ABT
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Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre,
Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out.
So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna.
I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers.
Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote:
Hi, Hans,
The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7).
Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm.
On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions:
is RS-30 dead or still alive?
if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active
435.215 or 435.315?
- what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you.
Hans
BX2ABT
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what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in
morse code)?
One way to answer that would be to look at the following page and search for "CW". Then, check to see if the status shows "ACTIVE".
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
==========================================
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Hans (BX2ABT) hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net wrote:
Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre,
Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out.
So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna.
I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers.
Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote:
Hi, Hans,
The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7).
Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm.
On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions:
is RS-30 dead or still alive?
if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215
or 435.315?
- what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW.
I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you.
Hans
BX2ABT
Hi Scott,
Yet another website with amateur satellite info. As a sat beginner you quickly find out that the amateur satellite world is a very disorganized place. I know it is an illusion that the perfect information source exists, but as messy as it is now.......... The same goes for software.
Let's start with names: some use the AMSAT designators (OA-91), others use common names (Fox-1B), yet others use the NORAD number or the NSSDC ID. So you have to juggle with naming conventions between different websites and software/apps.
Then websites: you would think that the AMSAT website has at least the minimum amount of information on past and present amateur satellites. First: what AMSAT website? There is AMSAT in the US, AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-EA, AMSAT-ON...... As the US is usually leading the way, let's go to the AMSAT-NA site. I am interested in Athenoxat-1 and skCube. Quick search.......nothing. Ok, to their status page which says: "This web page was created to give a single global reference point for all users in the Amateur Satellite Service to show the most up-to-date status of all satellites as actually reported in real time by users around the world." If so, why are there only a handful of birds listed? This will confuse the heck out of sat newbies.
So you send me to the DK3WN site, which seems rather complete and up-to-date. (BTW, it usually scares me when one person creates such an extensive and well organized website on which many people rely. What if the good OM goes SK? The same goes for software, btw). Look up the status of Yublileiny RS-30? Active! If you dig a bit deeper you will find the last report from November 2012, so it is obvious that the bird is dead (or sleeping very deeply). But it is listed as active, which I believe and subsequently I might waste a lot of time tracking a bird that is not there.
You are right, Scott, you gave me one way to answer my question and I thank you for that. The "bit of a rant" above is not directed at you, at all, but I hope it will help make the world a bit better, especially for sat newbies who read this: if you're confused and a bit frustrated........YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
73 de Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 11:25 PM, Scott wrote:
what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in
morse code)?
One way to answer that would be to look at the following page and search for "CW". Then, check to see if the status shows "ACTIVE".
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
==========================================
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Hans (BX2ABT) <hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net mailto:hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net> wrote:
Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre, Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out. So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna. I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers. Hans BX2ABT On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote: Hi, Hans, The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7). Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm. On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote: Hello all, I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions: 1) is RS-30 dead or still alive? 2) if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215 or 435.315? 3) what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW. I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you. Hans BX2ABT
Hi Scott,
A way to track RS-30 is http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm?satx=rs-30
I've copied RS-30 CW Beacon, sometimes is active, try when sun is over this bird.
73, LU7ABF, Pedro
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Hans (BX2ABT) hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net wrote:
Hi Scott,
Yet another website with amateur satellite info. As a sat beginner you quickly find out that the amateur satellite world is a very disorganized place. I know it is an illusion that the perfect information source exists, but as messy as it is now.......... The same goes for software.
Let's start with names: some use the AMSAT designators (OA-91), others use common names (Fox-1B), yet others use the NORAD number or the NSSDC ID. So you have to juggle with naming conventions between different websites and software/apps.
Then websites: you would think that the AMSAT website has at least the minimum amount of information on past and present amateur satellites. First: what AMSAT website? There is AMSAT in the US, AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-EA, AMSAT-ON...... As the US is usually leading the way, let's go to the AMSAT-NA site. I am interested in Athenoxat-1 and skCube. Quick search.......nothing. Ok, to their status page which says: "This web page was created to give a single global reference point for all users in the Amateur Satellite Service to show the most up-to-date status of all satellites as actually reported in real time by users around the world." If so, why are there only a handful of birds listed? This will confuse the heck out of sat newbies.
So you send me to the DK3WN site, which seems rather complete and up-to-date. (BTW, it usually scares me when one person creates such an extensive and well organized website on which many people rely. What if the good OM goes SK? The same goes for software, btw). Look up the status of Yublileiny RS-30? Active! If you dig a bit deeper you will find the last report from November 2012, so it is obvious that the bird is dead (or sleeping very deeply). But it is listed as active, which I believe and subsequently I might waste a lot of time tracking a bird that is not there.
You are right, Scott, you gave me one way to answer my question and I thank you for that. The "bit of a rant" above is not directed at you, at all, but I hope it will help make the world a bit better, especially for sat newbies who read this: if you're confused and a bit frustrated........YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
73 de Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 11:25 PM, Scott wrote:
what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in
morse code)?
One way to answer that would be to look at the following page and search for "CW". Then, check to see if the status shows "ACTIVE".
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
==========================================
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Hans (BX2ABT) <hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net mailto:hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net> wrote:
Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre, Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out. So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna. I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers. Hans BX2ABT On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote: Hi, Hans, The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7). Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm. On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote: Hello all, I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions: 1) is RS-30 dead or still alive? 2) if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215 or 435.315? 3) what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW. I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you. Hans BX2ABT
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Hi Hans,
the status ACTIVE does not necessarily mean that the CW beacon is activated worldwide. However, in Germany I can read the data transfer on request of the command station in Russia.
Regarding the effort - yes - it is a big time effort. But nevertheless there are always satellites - and this includes unfortunately all RS-xx (Radio Sputniks), which neither undergo an IARU frequency coordination or are willing to publish their telemetry information. I can give you an entire list... In the end that makes it uninteresting and no one listen to this satellites anymore - maybe that's the reason for the old date of the last status.
73 Mike DK3WN
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] Im Auftrag von Hans (BX2ABT) Gesendet: 02 June 2018 05:16 An: Scott Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Betreff: Re: [amsat-bb] Yubileiny RS-30 CW beacon --> bit of a rant
Hi Scott,
Yet another website with amateur satellite info. As a sat beginner you quickly find out that the amateur satellite world is a very disorganized place. I know it is an illusion that the perfect information source exists, but as messy as it is now.......... The same goes for software.
Let's start with names: some use the AMSAT designators (OA-91), others use common names (Fox-1B), yet others use the NORAD number or the NSSDC ID. So you have to juggle with naming conventions between different websites and software/apps.
Then websites: you would think that the AMSAT website has at least the minimum amount of information on past and present amateur satellites. First: what AMSAT website? There is AMSAT in the US, AMSAT-UK, AMSAT-EA, AMSAT-ON...... As the US is usually leading the way, let's go to the AMSAT-NA site. I am interested in Athenoxat-1 and skCube. Quick search.......nothing. Ok, to their status page which says: "This web page was created to give a single global reference point for all users in the Amateur Satellite Service to show the most up-to-date status of all satellites as actually reported in real time by users around the world." If so, why are there only a handful of birds listed? This will confuse the heck out of sat newbies.
So you send me to the DK3WN site, which seems rather complete and up-to-date. (BTW, it usually scares me when one person creates such an extensive and well organized website on which many people rely. What if the good OM goes SK? The same goes for software, btw). Look up the status of Yublileiny RS-30? Active! If you dig a bit deeper you will find the last report from November 2012, so it is obvious that the bird is dead (or sleeping very deeply). But it is listed as active, which I believe and subsequently I might waste a lot of time tracking a bird that is not there.
You are right, Scott, you gave me one way to answer my question and I thank you for that. The "bit of a rant" above is not directed at you, at all, but I hope it will help make the world a bit better, especially for sat newbies who read this: if you're confused and a bit frustrated........YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
73 de Hans
BX2ABT
On 06/01/2018 11:25 PM, Scott wrote:
what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in
morse code)?
One way to answer that would be to look at the following page and search for "CW". Then, check to see if the status shows "ACTIVE".
http://www.dk3wn.info/p/?page_id=29535
73!
-Scott, K4KDR
==========================================
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Hans (BX2ABT) <hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net mailto:hans.bx2abt@msa.hinet.net> wrote:
Hello Hugh and Jean-Pierre, Thanks for pointing out SatNOGS to me. I'm new to sats and didn't realize that SatNOGS had this capability. I'll check it out. So it seems RS-30 is dead. I checked the SatNOGS recordings, but I couldn't detect any CW. A pity, 'cause back in 2009 it was one of the first sat signals I received on my HT with a simple antenna. I asked this question before on this list, but what other sats do have reliable and reasonably strong beacons (in morse code)? Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers. Hans BX2ABT On 06/01/2018 10:10 PM, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote: Hi, Hans, The last record of Yubileiny-1 RS-30 CW telemetry I done was on november 12th 2012. It died sometime in november 2012 and the CW beacon was on 435.315 MHz and was pure CW A1. 435.215 MHz was used by the digital telemetry downlink (with the russian Doka-B ground stations). But anyway, I listen from time to time to the frequencies of the missing birds, just in case... My russian favorite was Mozhyets-4 RS-22. :-) and my favorite chinese Xiwang-1 (Hope-1, HO-68)my favorite, which is still possible to hear from time to time when solar panels are under the sun (like AO-7). Hans, there are a lot of others satellites sending CW telemetry on 70 cm. On 01/06/2018 13:15, Hans (BX2ABT) wrote: Hello all, I'm trying out my 4 element 70cm LFA and (finally) received some decent signals from Athenoxat-1 (437.485 MHz). I had some good passes for Yubileiny RS-30 in the last couple of days, but I didn't observe anything. So, questions: 1) is RS-30 dead or still alive? 2) if alive, on which frequency is the morse code beacon active 435.215 or 435.315? 3) what mode should I use then: FMN or pure CW. I would like to know if anybody has observed RS-30 recently. On the web I can't find any recent observations. Thank you. Hans BX2ABT
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