Re: [eu-amsat] Re: Good ideas for the AO-7 log.

5 Mar 2008

      Igor,
        A good idea but I'm not sure about eventual copyright issues.
I am the 'official' administrator of the AO-7 Resource Page Log but the problem is - I cannot do anything without N1DID's - 
(ex: W0EEC) - permission since she (exclusively) holds the original copyright.
The whole problem stems from the fact that N1DID "disappeared" into SECOND LIFE and doesn't answer her mail.
My editing privilages which were normally renewed every 1st January with a cookie - have been suspended due to the lack of contact with N1DID so there's nothing I can do to edit the mistakes like I used to.
A pity, but such is the situation.
73 John.   [email protected]
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:36:19 +0000
Subject: [eu-amsat] Re: Good ideas for the AO-7 log.
Hello!
I have such offer.
Can be copy all data in new base and place it on other site?
Probably, that any part of data will be gone. But I think, that not
so much.
A question in the one who will write the program for work with this
base?
I could find a place with a suitable name (for example oscar7.net,
oscar7.org) and which support MYSQL and PHP4/5 :)
In this case becomes possible:
To find the new Administrator who will have full access to a site.
Count QSO/Points or any other position in the log, like we need (As
we shall explain to the Administrator), e.t.c.
It is necessary to do it on a noncommercial basis. I, for example,
can find a hosting.
--- In [email protected], John Hackett <archie.hackett@...>
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Alan,
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    A timely and intelligent mail - nice! one.

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I played at super dooper pooper scooper - (log cop) - for a couple
of years but it was as you correctly percieved taking up too much of
my time.
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I wused to be Emily's page administrator but since she disappeared
into the burrow of 2nd Life and despite "millions" of 'carrots' -
(read: e-mails) - I've lost contact with her.
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I do wish she'd pop her head out with a quick - "What's up Doc?".
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I'm now involved in other aspects of the Grand Old Lady ... AO-7,
not N1DID.
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73 John.   <la2qaa@...>
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From: ve4yz@...
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To: la2qaa@...; sv1bsx@...
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CC: amsat-bb@...; [email protected]
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Subject: RE: [amsat-bb]  More AO-7 log.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:01:17 -0600
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Regrettably, there seems to be only a few ways of "Ham -
Proofing " the
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logging system.
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One would be to add some logic to the code for the form entry to
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submitting unless at least one of the QSO entries are completed.
This may
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require diving into the rabbit hole to rescue Emily from her
Second Life and
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nicely asking her to tweak the code.  However, it would not
prevent entrants
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from adding dummy info just to get a count.
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Another would be having a super user act as "log-cop" and zap bad
entries.
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That may be perceived as badly as a "grammar cop" or "spelling
cop" on this
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BB, and, who would want to waste that amount of time each day
cleaning up
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other's messes. But it could be mitigated if a warning line was
added to the
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top of the table.  "Invalid entries and empty QSOs will be
deleted"
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Another that comes to mind would probably involve Emily and may
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the easiest.  The entire database could be conditioned
occasionally.  Again
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a super user could execute a single line SQL statement that
purges all
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entries where the QSO is blank or includes text such as "CQ".
DELETE FROM
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table_name WHERE column_name = some_value. I'm ignorant of the db
used here
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but hesitantly *assume* in might me MySQL or something similar.
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The SQL statement could even be automated in a chron process and
executed
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automatically each day.
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Or, folks could just use common sense and read the second
sentence at the
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top of the log - "IF YOU HAVE A CONTACT TO REPORT...."   Oh, we
already
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tried that and it didn't work...
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-----Original Message-----
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From: amsat-bb-bounces@... [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@...] On
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Behalf Of John Hackett
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Sent: March 4, 2008 2:17 AM
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To: sv1bsx@...
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Cc: amsat-bb@...; [email protected]
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Subject: [amsat-bb] More AO-7 log.
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Mak,
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   Despite our repeated requests ... yesterday ...

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W7AIT 15:49
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W7AIT 15:50 ... (seperate QSO's)
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PY4AJ CQ
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VK4ZQ CQ
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Like I mentioned ... don't these people 'look' at what they
write? ... or
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note how those that fill in the log correctly do it? ... or even
read the
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Amsat mail?.
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What can one do?.
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Statistics are no use to man nor beast if they're incorrect - and
over the
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first 3 months of this year there are enough errors to ensure
that the
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statistics *ARE* wrong ... agreed, they're only small mistakes
and agreed
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that - "it's only a hobby" - but what is the point in filling in
the log in
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the first place if you're not going to do it correctly?.
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Having pointed out the errors once, twice and three times on both
bulletin
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boards in the last 14 days I assumed that ought to be enough -
obviously it
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wasn't ... so I don't know about you but I'm not going to bother
anymore.
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Since the main "contenders" are English speaking one cannot blame
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language. The panes are clear enough and cannot be misconscrued.
The hour
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glass is self explanitory - you yourself have explained more than
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to fix things if they do occasionally go amok - (data is "data") -
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referring to the - 'remember me' - checkbox issue.
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It's a pity such a useful resource is allowed to become a mess.
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EOR ... (End of rant).
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73 John.   <la2qaa@...>
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