Jeff,
Some people have no problems with full duplex FM. However, others have. There are a couple of factors to tweak.
First, cut the primary sample rate back to 96k if you are running 192k.
Second, make certain that all the voice buffer sizes are the same. This means on the primary audio tab, and also Buffer Size|Phone on the DSP tab. Try 2048, and if that works, 1024. Probably 96k/2048 would be the place to start as it is most likely to solve the problem.
This is the result of trial and error by myself and others and not, on my part, a deep understanding of how PowerSDR works. Not everybody finds the same combination works, so at least part of it involves the computer (and OS version??) you are using. However, it is completely reproducible once you find the right combination.
Finally, are you using 435.170 Mhz (435.172 MHz has also been recommended) for the uplink computer tuning? If you are off frequency, the satellite AFC will help, but you can still get a rough audio.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Jeff [mailto:[email protected]] <Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:46 PM <To: [email protected] <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < <Yes, I will start F/D then go H/D if there is an issue. I really don't care <about the FM birds anyway, so it's not a real issue. Tell me about the <buffer issue work around? < <73 Jeff kb2m < < <-----Original Message----- <From: Alan <Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:37 PM <To: 'Jeff' ; 'Amsat' <Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < <Jeff, < <While not normally recommended, as a test try working SO-50 in half duplex <rather than full duplex and <see what happens. There is a very peculiar buffer issue which can cause <bad audio in full duplex. If <that is it, there is a work around. < <Question about your comment about building an FM repeater filter. Are you <referring to the Transmit <tab, Transmit Filter? < <73s, < <Alan <WA4SCA < < < <<-----Original Message----- <<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff <<Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:52 PM <<To: Amsat [email protected] <<Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues << <<I?m working my way through setting up my Flex 5000 for satellites. I?m very <happy with the <<performance on the linear bird?s , but having some issues with AO-85, and <SO-50. After getting some <<bad audio reports on SO-50 yesterday I tried to work the problem out with <someone on a local repeater <<who was familiar with my voice. After a few minutes it became very clear <that it was a CTCSS tone <<issue as simplex performance was excellent. I thought about this a minute <and came to the realization <<that there might be a TX filter in play, and discovered, yes it was set to <a default of 150 to 2700. <<Obliviously not FM values. So just before the last pass of AO-85 I quickly <built an FM RPTR filter of <<50 to 4k and saved it. It worked a bit better on the pass but I still had <obvious issues. Anyone have <any <<ideas what the issue might be? I?m thinking a tone level issue, but after <goggling I found issues with <<CTCSS was too HIGH of a level. Any suggestions welcome... << <<73 Jeff kb2m << << <<_______________________________________________ <<Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <AMSAT-NA. <<Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <<Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Ok, I was (after considerable effort) at 192k as I was told it works best with FM, and I had also the Audio tab buffer at 1024, now all voice buffers are at 2048, with a sample rate of 96k . I'm at 435172 and I also created a doppler.sqf entry with 435170 to try if needed. Is my thinking about the transmit profile correct? The TX filter I build seems to work a bit better then the FM default filter. Wife has plans for me for the day, I should be back in time for the 1709L pass.
Alan, thanks for you input..
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:28 AM To: AMSAT-BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues
Jeff,
Some people have no problems with full duplex FM. However, others have. There are a couple of factors to tweak.
First, cut the primary sample rate back to 96k if you are running 192k.
Second, make certain that all the voice buffer sizes are the same. This means on the primary audio tab, and also Buffer Size|Phone on the DSP tab. Try 2048, and if that works, 1024. Probably 96k/2048 would be the place to start as it is most likely to solve the problem.
This is the result of trial and error by myself and others and not, on my part, a deep understanding of how PowerSDR works. Not everybody finds the same combination works, so at least part of it involves the computer (and OS version??) you are using. However, it is completely reproducible once you find the right combination.
Finally, are you using 435.170 Mhz (435.172 MHz has also been recommended) for the uplink computer tuning? If you are off frequency, the satellite AFC will help, but you can still get a rough audio.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Jeff [mailto:[email protected]] <Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:46 PM <To: [email protected] <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < <Yes, I will start F/D then go H/D if there is an issue. I really don't care <about the FM birds anyway, so it's not a real issue. Tell me about the <buffer issue work around? < <73 Jeff kb2m < < <-----Original Message----- <From: Alan <Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:37 PM <To: 'Jeff' ; 'Amsat' <Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < <Jeff, < <While not normally recommended, as a test try working SO-50 in half duplex <rather than full duplex and <see what happens. There is a very peculiar buffer issue which can cause <bad audio in full duplex. If <that is it, there is a work around. < <Question about your comment about building an FM repeater filter. Are you <referring to the Transmit <tab, Transmit Filter? < <73s, < <Alan <WA4SCA < < < <<-----Original Message----- <<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff <<Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:52 PM <<To: Amsat [email protected] <<Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues << <<I?m working my way through setting up my Flex 5000 for satellites. I?m very <happy with the <<performance on the linear bird?s , but having some issues with AO-85, and <SO-50. After getting some <<bad audio reports on SO-50 yesterday I tried to work the problem out with <someone on a local repeater <<who was familiar with my voice. After a few minutes it became very clear <that it was a CTCSS tone <<issue as simplex performance was excellent. I thought about this a minute <and came to the realization <<that there might be a TX filter in play, and discovered, yes it was set to <a default of 150 to 2700. <<Obliviously not FM values. So just before the last pass of AO-85 I quickly <built an FM RPTR filter of <<50 to 4k and saved it. It worked a bit better on the pass but I still had <obvious issues. Anyone have <any <<ideas what the issue might be? I?m thinking a tone level issue, but after <goggling I found issues with <<CTCSS was too HIGH of a level. Any suggestions welcome... << <<73 Jeff kb2m
Jeff,
Sounds good. The frustrating thing is that the advice to use 192k may well have been good for the person who recommended it. (It gets more interesting when you start with digital modes.) Hopefully there will be a combination which will work for you.
As for the TX filter, I don't know how much or any effect it has on FM. FM was one of the last features added, and many of the functions which are relevant to SSB or AM are bypassed. If it does effect FM, changing the low frequency cutoff should not effect the CTCSS since that should be injected independent of the voice audio.
No promises, and good luck!
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff <Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:32 AM <To: [email protected]; AMSAT-BB [email protected] <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < < Ok, I was (after considerable effort) at 192k as I was told it works best <with FM, and I had also the Audio tab buffer at 1024, now all voice buffers <are at 2048, with a sample rate of 96k . I'm at 435172 and I also created a <doppler.sqf entry with 435170 to try if needed. Is my thinking about the <transmit profile correct? The TX filter I build seems to work a bit better <then the FM default filter. < Wife has plans for me for the day, I should be back in time for the 1709L <pass. < <Alan, thanks for you input.. < <73 Jeff kb2m < <-----Original Message----- <From: Alan <Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:28 AM <To: AMSAT-BB <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues < <Jeff, < <Some people have no problems with full duplex FM. However, others have. <There are a couple of <factors to tweak. < <First, cut the primary sample rate back to 96k if you are running 192k. < <Second, make certain that all the voice buffer sizes are the same. This <means on the primary audio <tab, and also Buffer Size|Phone on the DSP tab. Try 2048, and if that <works, 1024. Probably 96k/2048 <would be the place to start as it is most likely to solve the problem. < <This is the result of trial and error by myself and others and not, on my <part, a deep understanding <of how PowerSDR works. Not everybody finds the same combination works, so <at least part of it <involves the computer (and OS version??) you are using. However, it is <completely reproducible once <you find the right combination. < <Finally, are you using 435.170 Mhz (435.172 MHz has also been recommended) <for the uplink computer <tuning? If you are off frequency, the satellite AFC will help, but you can <still get a rough audio. < <73s, < <Alan <WA4SCA < < < < < <<-----Original Message----- <<From: Jeff [mailto:[email protected]] <<Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:46 PM <<To: [email protected] <<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues << <<Yes, I will start F/D then go H/D if there is an issue. I really don't care <<about the FM birds anyway, so it's not a real issue. Tell me about the <<buffer issue work around? << <<73 Jeff kb2m << << <<-----Original Message----- <<From: Alan <<Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:37 PM <<To: 'Jeff' ; 'Amsat' <<Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues << <<Jeff, << <<While not normally recommended, as a test try working SO-50 in half duplex <<rather than full duplex and <<see what happens. There is a very peculiar buffer issue which can cause <<bad audio in full duplex. If <<that is it, there is a work around. << <<Question about your comment about building an FM repeater filter. Are you <<referring to the Transmit <<tab, Transmit Filter? << <<73s, << <<Alan <<WA4SCA << << << <<<-----Original Message----- <<<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff <<<Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:52 PM <<<To: Amsat [email protected] <<<Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex 5000a FM tone issues <<< <<<I?m working my way through setting up my Flex 5000 for satellites. I?m <very <<happy with the <<<performance on the linear bird?s , but having some issues with AO-85, and <<SO-50. After getting some <<<bad audio reports on SO-50 yesterday I tried to work the problem out with <<someone on a local repeater <<<who was familiar with my voice. After a few minutes it became very clear <<that it was a CTCSS tone <<<issue as simplex performance was excellent. I thought about this a minute <<and came to the realization <<<that there might be a TX filter in play, and discovered, yes it was set to <<a default of 150 to 2700. <<<Obliviously not FM values. So just before the last pass of AO-85 I quickly <<built an FM RPTR filter of <<<50 to 4k and saved it. It worked a bit better on the pass but I still had <<obvious issues. Anyone have <<any <<<ideas what the issue might be? I?m thinking a tone level issue, but after <<goggling I found issues with <<<CTCSS was too HIGH of a level. Any suggestions welcome... <<< <<<73 Jeff kb2m < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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