Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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HI Paul, yes I know the rules well after 20 years. What I’m talking about is a total restructure of the sat contact thing. I would like a way to make sat operations a contest, like the rest of the bands. I’m looking for ideas…
73 Jeff kb2m
From: Paul Stoetzer [mailto:n8hm@arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:03 PM To: AMSAT-BB; Jeff Griffin Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FD sat contacts
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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Jeff, I for one agree. I don't like the single FM rule or the fact that working w1aw on FO-29 and working w1aw on AO-73 is a dupe in the ARRL rules. I've thought put w1aw and k6kph on the FM birds with some serious punch and have them hand out contacts on the FM birds. And have them be the only contacts that count...Or drop the 100 point bonus eliminating a lot of folks without satellite experience. Don't want to start a flame war just expressing my opinion.
73,Joe kk0sd
On Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:20 PM, Jeff Griffin jeff_griffin@comcast.net wrote:
HI Paul, yes I know the rules well after 20 years. What I’m talking about is a total restructure of the sat contact thing. I would like a way to make sat operations a contest, like the rest of the bands. I’m looking for ideas…
73 Jeff kb2m
From: Paul Stoetzer [mailto:n8hm@arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:03 PM To: AMSAT-BB; Jeff Griffin Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FD sat contacts
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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I don't mind the "One and Done" on the FM birds one bit. They're crowded enough during "normal" times, and a complete ZOO on Field Day. The only time I try and work an FM bird on Field Day is when they're way to the West, with most of the footprint over the Pacific. I get my one FM contact, and then back to the linear birds.
I don't think putting an official mega-station on an FM bird to dole out contacts would work. You'd still have insane uplink contention, and people calling, calling, calling anyway. Perhaps the only way to kill the crud on Field Day is drop the 100 point bonus entirely, and just let satellite contacts count as regular contacts as we're discussing.
I agree 100% that each bird should count as a separate "band", along with allowing different modes on each bird to be counted as separate contacts, just like they are on HF.
SSB, CW, and digital should get you three points per bird, just like it does on 20 Meters.
But then who are we to suggest the league change their rules......
Oh, well....
73, Jim
On 06/23/2017 11:52 PM, Gary Mayfield wrote:
Jeff, I for one agree. I don't like the single FM rule or the fact that working w1aw on FO-29 and working w1aw on AO-73 is a dupe in the ARRL rules. I've thought put w1aw and k6kph on the FM birds with some serious punch and have them hand out contacts on the FM birds. And have them be the only contacts that count...Or drop the 100 point bonus eliminating a lot of folks without satellite experience. Don't want to start a flame war just expressing my opinion.
73,Joe kk0sd
On Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:20 PM, Jeff Griffin <jeff_griffin@comcast.net> wrote:HI Paul, yes I know the rules well after 20 years. What I’m talking about is a total restructure of the sat contact thing. I would like a way to make sat operations a contest, like the rest of the bands. I’m looking for ideas…
73 Jeff kb2m
From: Paul Stoetzer [mailto:n8hm@arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:03 PM To: AMSAT-BB; Jeff Griffin Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FD sat contacts
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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ARRL has tried to adopt our rules the best they can.
73...bruce
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On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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I was a little confused when I read the rules in the latest Journal. I need to reread them again but they are way to restrictive.
73, Scott, KA7FVV President - KBARA www.kbara.org Co-Owner 443.525 System Fusion Repeater ka7fvv.net
On Jun 22, 2017, at 17:24, Bruce kk5do@amsat.org wrote:
ARRL has tried to adopt our rules the best they can.
73...bruce
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On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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How are they "restrictive", Scott?
Other than limiting a station to one contact per FM satellite, I've never found them restrictive at all.
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 06/23/2017 01:05 AM, Scott via AMSAT-BB wrote:
I was a little confused when I read the rules in the latest Journal. I need to reread them again but they are way to restrictive.
73, Scott, KA7FVV President - KBARA www.kbara.org Co-Owner 443.525 System Fusion Repeater ka7fvv.net
On Jun 22, 2017, at 17:24, Bruce kk5do@amsat.org wrote:
ARRL has tried to adopt our rules the best they can.
73...bruce
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On Jun 22, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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From the replies I got both public and private everyone agree’s to leave it as it is. All have a great FD, I will be on the sats as K2BR….
73 Jeff kb2m
From: Paul Stoetzer [mailto:n8hm@arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:03 PM To: AMSAT-BB; Jeff Griffin Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FD sat contacts
They are fine, though confusing about the meaning of contacting "different satellites." Does that mean that "satellite" is a band and working a station on more than one satellite would be a dupe? I'm not sure. AMSAT rules allow you to work the same station on multiple satellites.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 19:47 Jeff Griffin kb2m@arrl.net wrote:
Does anyone have any comments on the current ARRL FD satellite contact rules?
73 Jeff kb2m
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